WWIII, el hilo holístico del guano masivo

lowfour
lowfour
Started 2023-11-05
1335 posts
elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2024-06-06
#511

@lowfour (post #510)

pues que van en puto motocarro al frente, qué más quieres??

rusia no tiene nada para avanzar en ucrania, ya ni cuelan los drones o los misiles hipersonicos que ponían palote a cinta

ahora solo queda gestionar la derrota, que se irá materializando poco a poco

el frente ese abierto en jarkov, que solo ha servido para arrasar un par de ciudades (y pequeñas), como siempre, ha resultado que será el frente donde tendrán que retirarse y admitir que... igual no pueden

esa impotencia es la que ves y el cague de que la derrota es inevitable

lowfour
lowfour
2024-06-06
#512
Edited 2024-06-06

Al loro

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1d9tlwr/russianpropagandistskabeyevathreatensthat/

Ya están en la fase "México nos va a dejer plantar misiles nucleares apuntado a USA".

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Se le escapa una verdad a la barbie alcohólica fetal: "Ninguna otra cosa nos está funcionando".

Vamos a ver deserciones de propagandistas pronto?

lowfour
lowfour
2024-06-06
#513

La OTAN ha olido sangre, Francia ha olido sangre. Han visto los tortu-tanques y se han pispado de que las cosas no van tan bien para Putin como nos cuentan.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1d9t9au/macronannouncingmirage20005planesforukraine/

lowfour
lowfour
2024-06-07
#514
Edited 2024-06-07

Ya se por qué está el gnomo de los nervios, dándole al trankimazín. Bueno ya lo pusimos creo, pero está bien recordarlo. China! Lo que le preocupa al gnomo es China!

https://www.ft.com/content/f18e6e1f-5c3d-4554-aee5-50a730b306b7

Leaked Russian military files reveal criteria for nuclear strike


Doctrine for tactical nuclear weapons outlined in training scenarios for an invasion by China

Vladimir Putin’s forces have rehearsed using tactical nuclear weapons at an early stage of conflict with a major world power, according to leaked Russian military files that include training scenarios for an invasion by China.

The classified papers, seen by the Financial Times, describe a threshold for using tactical nuclear weapons that is lower than Russia has ever publicly admitted, according to experts who reviewed and verified the documents.

The cache consists of 29 secret Russian military files drawn up between 2008 and 2014, including scenarios for war-gaming and presentations for naval officers, which discuss operating principles for the use of nuclear weapons.

Criteria for a potential nuclear response range from an enemy incursion on Russian territory to more specific triggers, such as the destruction of 20 per cent of Russia’s strategic ballistic missile submarines.

“This is the first time that we have seen documents like this reported in the public domain,” said Alexander Gabuev, director of the Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center in Berlin. “They show that the operational threshold for using nuclear weapons is pretty low if the desired result can’t be achieved through conventional means.”

Russia’s tactical nuclear weapons, which can be delivered by land or sea-launched missiles or from aircraft, are designed for limited battlefield use in Europe and Asia, as opposed to the larger “strategic” weapons intended to target the US. Modern tactical warheads can still release significantly more energy than the weapons dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima in 1945.

Although the files date back 10 years and more, experts claim they remain relevant to current Russian military doctrine. The documents were shown to the FT by western sources.

The defensive plans expose deeply held suspicions of China among Moscow’s security elite even as Putin began forging an alliance with Beijing, which as early as 2001 included a nuclear no-first-strike agreement.

In the years since, Russia and China have deepened their partnership, particularly since Xi Jinping took power in Beijing in 2012. The war in Ukraine has cemented Russia’s status as a junior partner in their relationship, with China throwing Moscow a vital economic lifeline to help stave off western sanctions.

Yet even as the countries became closer, the training materials show Russia’s eastern military district was rehearsing multiple scenarios depicting a Chinese invasion.

The exercises offer a rare insight into how Russia views its nuclear arsenal as a cornerstone of its defence policy — and how it trains forces to be able to carry out a nuclear first strike in some battlefield conditions.

One exercise outlining a hypothetical attack by China notes that Russia, dubbed the “Northern Federation” for the purpose of the war game, could respond with a tactical nuclear strike in order to stop “the South” from advancing with a second wave of invading forces.

“The order has been given by the commander-in-chief . . . to use nuclear weapons . . . in the event the enemy deploys second-echelon units and the South threatens to attack further in the direction of the main strike,” the document said.

China’s foreign ministry denied there were any grounds for suspicion of Moscow. “The Treaty of Good-Neighborliness, Friendship and Cooperation between China and Russia has legally established the concept of eternal friendship and non-enmity between the two countries,” a spokesperson said. “The ‘threat theory’ has no market in China and Russia.”

Putin’s spokesperson said on Wednesday: “The main thing is that the threshold for the use of nuclear weapons is absolutely transparent and is spelled out in the doctrine. As for the documents mentioned, we strongly doubt their authenticity.”

A separate training presentation for naval officers, unrelated to the China war games, outlines broader criteria for a potential nuclear strike, including an enemy landing on Russian territory, the defeat of units responsible for securing border areas, or an imminent enemy attack using conventional weapons.

The slides summarise the threshold as a combination of factors where losses suffered by Russian forces “would irrevocably lead to their failure to stop major enemy aggression”, a “critical situation for the state security of Russia”.

Other potential conditions include the destruction of 20 per cent of Russia’s strategic ballistic missile submarines, 30 per cent of its nuclear-powered attack submarines, three or more cruisers, three airfields, or a simultaneous hit on main and reserve coastal command centres.

Russia’s military is also expected to be able to use tactical nuclear weapons for a broad array of goals, including “containing states from using aggression […] or escalating military conflicts”, “stopping aggression”, preventing Russian forces from losing battles or territory, and making Russia’s navy “more effective”.

Putin said last June that he felt “negatively” about using tactical nuclear strikes, but then boasted that Russia had a larger non-strategic arsenal than Nato countries. “Screw them, you know, as people say,” Putin said. The US has estimated Russia has at least 2,000 such weapons.

Putin said last year that Russian nuclear doctrine allowed two possible thresholds for using nuclear weapons: retaliation against a first nuclear strike by an enemy, and if “the very existence of Russia as a state comes under threat even if conventional weapons are used”.

But Putin himself added that neither criteria was likely to be met, and dismissed public calls from hardliners to lower the threshold.

The materials are aimed at training Russian units for situations in which the country might want the ability to use nuclear weapons, said Jack Watling, a senior research fellow for land warfare at the Royal United Services Institute, rather than setting out a rule book for their use.

“At this level, the requirement is for units to maintain — over the course of a conflict — the credible option for policymakers to employ nuclear weapons,” Watling added. “This would be a political decision.”

While Moscow has drawn close to Beijing since the war games and moved forces from the east to Ukraine, it has continued to build up its eastern defences. “Russia is continuing to reinforce and exercise its nuclear-capable missiles in the Far East near its border with China,” said William Alberque, director of strategy, technology and arms control at the International Institute for Strategic Studies. “A lot of these systems only have the range to strike China.”

Russia was still behaving in accordance with the “theory of use” of nuclear weapons set out in the documents, Alberque said. “We have not seen a fundamental rethink,” he said, adding that Russia is probably concerned that China may seek to take advantage of Moscow being distracted “to push the Russians out of Central Asia”.

The documents reflect patterns seen in exercises the Russian military held regularly before and since Putin’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022. Alberque, who worked for Nato and the US defence department on arms control, pointed to examples of Russian exercises held in June and November last year using nuclear-capable Iskander missiles in two regions bordering China.

While Russia’s president has the sole authority to launch a first nuclear strike, the low threshold for tactical nuclear use set out in the documents conforms with a doctrine some western observers refer to as “escalating to de-escalate”.

Under this strategy a tactical weapon could be used to try to prevent Russia from becoming embroiled in a sprawling war, particularly one in which the US might intervene. Using what it calls “fear inducement”, Moscow would seek to end the conflict on its own terms by shocking the country’s adversary with the early use of a small nuclear weapon — or securing a settlement through the threat to do so.

“They talk about ‘soberising’ their adversaries — knocking them out of the drunkenness of their early victories by introducing nuclear weapons,” said Alberque. “The best way that they think they can do that is to use what they call a lower ‘dosage’ of nuclear weapons at a much lower level of combat to prevent escalation.”

Ukrainian officials argued that Putin’s nuclear threats convinced US and other allies not to arm Kyiv more decisively early in the conflict, when advanced Nato weaponry could have turned the tide in Ukraine’s favour.

Alberque said Russia would probably have a higher threshold for using tactical nuclear weapons against Ukraine, which does not have its own nuclear capability or the ability to launch a ground invasion on the same scale, than against China or the US.

Russian leaders believe that, where

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Russia was still behaving in accordance with the “theory of use” of nuclear weapons set out in the documents, Alberque said. “We have not seen a fundamental rethink,” he said, adding that Russia is probably concerned that China may seek to take advantage of Moscow being distracted “to push the Russians out of Central Asia”.

The documents reflect patterns seen in exercises the Russian military held regularly before and since Putin’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022. Alberque, who worked for Nato and the US defence department on arms control, pointed to examples of Russian exercises held in June and November last year using nuclear-capable Iskander missiles in two regions bordering China.

While Russia’s president has the sole authority to launch a first nuclear strike, the low threshold for tactical nuclear use set out in the documents conforms with a doctrine some western observers refer to as “escalating to de-escalate”.

Under this strategy a tactical weapon could be used to try to prevent Russia from becoming embroiled in a sprawling war, particularly one in which the US might intervene. Using what it calls “fear inducement”, Moscow would seek to end the conflict on its own terms by shocking the country’s adversary with the early use of a small nuclear weapon — or securing a settlement through the threat to do so.

“They talk about ‘soberising’ their adversaries — knocking them out of the drunkenness of their early victories by introducing nuclear weapons,” said Alberque. “The best way that they think they can do that is to use what they call a lower ‘dosage’ of nuclear weapons at a much lower level of combat to prevent escalation.”

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Ukrainian officials argued that Putin’s nuclear threats convinced US and other allies not to arm Kyiv more decisively early in the conflict, when advanced Nato weaponry could have turned the tide in Ukraine’s favour.

Alberque said Russia would probably have a higher threshold for using tactical nuclear weapons against Ukraine, which does not have its own nuclear capability or the ability to launch a ground invasion on the same scale, than against China or the US.

Russian leaders believe that, whereas a nuclear strike against China or the US could be “soberising”, a nuclear strike on Ukraine would be likely to escalate the conflict and lead to direct intervention by the US or UK, Alberque said. “That is absolutely the last thing Putin wants.”

as a nuclear strike against China or the US could be “soberising”, a nuclear strike on Ukraine would be likely to escalate the conflict and lead to direct intervention by the US or UK, Alberque said. “That is absolutely the last thing Putin wants.”

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2024-06-07
#515

@lowfour (post #514)

lo comentamos ya, sí, pero casi más en plan coña...

menudo pifostio tiene el gnomo cabrón, se ha metido en un jardin del que no va a poder salir

yo sigo pensando que si quitan a putin, buena parte de esto podrá ser rebobinado o algo así

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2024-06-07
#516

por cierto, los mirage son peores que los f16, no?

que les mande los rafale esos, que son mejores

es que fíjate, si el gnomo cabrón dice "esto es escalar", te puede decir macrón perfectamente, nono, escalar sería mandar los eurofighters y todo lo bueno, esto es saldar lo que te sobra en el armario por wallapop

mira, vamos a retirar unas fragatas (las f-100) y meter las f-110, se la podremos vender a los ucranianos, que tienen sistema aegis del copón y no te entra un misil en tu espacio aéreo sin vérselas con tus patriots

lowfour
lowfour
2024-06-07
#517

Bueno pues ya tenemos franchutes entrenando ukros en territorio de Ucrania.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1dai3s9/francehasconfirmedthedeploymentofits/

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2024-06-08
#518

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los amigos de cinta, jugando en grandes ligas...

no sé a qué aspira esta gente, salvo hacer el mal por joder o algo así

lowfour
lowfour
2024-06-11
#519
Edited 2024-06-11

ok Von Der Layen dice que

UKRANIA PARA LA EU CUANTO ANTES

Os lo dije, van a meter a Ucrania en el tren en marcha, incluyendo NATO.

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2024-06-11
#520

@lowfour (post #519)

está fijando posiciones para ser comisaria jefe, no sé, eh?

a ver qué pasa, yo soy más de draghi a día de hoy, pero bueno

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2024-06-11
#521

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que van a prohibir armas de asalto, está el viejales echando el resto para ser reelegido o qué?

porque total, los maga no le van a votar, así que pueden engorilarse todo lo que quieran

lowfour
lowfour
2024-06-12
#522

Ahí sale el calvo (que ya señaló Vlad Vexler) diciendo que hay que atacar primero con nukes, cuanto antes lo mejor. Una momia que igual palma en breve montando su discurso del ISIS.

y Dugin el arribista dice "que o ganan o no existirán".

Para cagarse con los putinistas.

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2024-06-12
#523

@lowfour (post #522)

bueno, es un poco el clásico de todo régimen totalitario-fascista, el lebensraum era esto, nuestra existencia está en peligro y hay que pillar cacho al vecino para "protegernos"

si para eso tienen que morir millones o, como somos "humanitarios", los deportamos a narnia o algo así, pues se hace

y por supuesto, es un reich de los mil años, eterno, que ya estaba ahí cuando adan y eva (o el origen mesianico-folklorista que toque) y seguirá ahí al final de los días o algo así

que si no es la arcadia feliz que prometen es porque están los "otros" (juden, gays, zurdos, feministas, etc) que hay que eliminar (policialmente o fisicamente)

lowfour
lowfour
2024-06-13
#524

Mira yo creo que esto va en línea con mi conspiranoia de que van a meter a Ucrania en “occidente” en marcha porque han visto que el tema va muy en serio y perder Ucrania ew envalentonar a estos dos matones de barrio ultra nazis.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1dery48/chinasassistanceplayskeyrolein/?shareid=57QCAuXGKCKQn8MEvMy-&utmcontent=1&utmmedium=iosapp&utmname=iossmf&utmsource=share&utmterm=22

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2024-06-13
#525

@lowfour (post #524)

yo creo que va más en la línea de delimitar "trincheras" en torno a putin y china

es como cuando belarra dice "genocidio", no busca tanto convencerte o describir lo que pasa en gaza, sino de delimitar quiénes son los suyos y quiénes son los "otros" o enemigo a batir (por eso se empeñaba tanto de que el psoe dijera "genocidio", y si no lo hacía, era "el enemigo", y si lo hacía, era "minion" al servicio de la causa progre posmo)

pero yoquesé, lo mismo sí que es también que van a enchufar a ucrania en la otan para ir matando pájaros de un tiro

lowfour
lowfour
2024-06-13
#526

Al loro la lógica orca. USA son unos hdlgp porque cuando les amenazamos con ataque nuclear preventivo responden que usarán armas convencionales y nos dejan mal.

🤣

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1deuntj/russianpropagandistsarelamentingthattheus/?shareid=k2VyIRIxxsaM7eSjEAh6m&utmcontent=1&utmmedium=iosapp&utmname=iossmf&utmsource=share&utmterm=22

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2024-06-13
#527

oye, igual hay que abrir hilo con argentina, porque se está liando parda

de momento lo pongo aquí, aunque muy wwiii no es, pero sí que desestabiliza todo bastante el puto trumpista argentino de la motosierra

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en tuiter hablan de intento de golpe de estado de los "zurdos", pero también dicen que hay un "esado de sitio" de los "truchos"

en fin, que se está liando parda y pinta guano masivo

lowfour
lowfour
2024-06-16
#528

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2024-06-16
#529

@lowfour (post #528)

estos viven claramente en la edad media, eh?

sodoma y gomorra como argumento para la acción politica, cojonudo todo

muy del estilo, vamos a jerusalem a liberar tierra santa por que dios nosequé

lowfour
lowfour
2024-06-22
#530
Edited 2024-06-22

Oye no se si os puse el penúltimo vídeo del Vexler, que lo está clavando. Creo que si. Pero vamos hablaba de la última amenaza de Putin:

  • - Abiertos a un armisticio si:

  • - Ucrania abandona las "provincias rusas" donde todavía está Ukrania, claro. Osea Zaporizha y tal. Vamos, que son rusas pero que los Ukros se hacen los longuis. Que un poquito de porfavor.

  • - Que Ucrania abandone sus flirteos con la OTAN
  • Y aquí viene la buena

  • - Que la OTAN abandone toda europa del este. (EN SERIO, DIJO ESO 🤣).
  • Según Vexler Putin tiene dos caminos delante para ganar la guerra:

    1) Acelerar la guerra y continuar el desgaste, lo cual require politización, reclutamiento, economía de guerra, etc

    2) Lograr un armisticio, pausar, rearmarse, y volver a la carga en pocos años

    Pero con esta reacción de debilidad, que según Vexler va a cabrear a los más listos y radicalizados de La Z, Putin se está pintando en la esquina de la habitación (como se dice en Suecia) y indirectamente le lleva hacia 1).

    No creo que sea casual. Occidente sabe que 1 es el camino para reventar a los rusos. Si paran es darles un balón de oxígeno y problemas durante años.

    elarquitecto
    elarquitecto
    2024-06-26
    #531

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    se está liando parda en bolivia

    elarquitecto
    elarquitecto
    2024-06-27
    #532

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    por supuesto, en la fachisfera "ardilla" dicen que es un golpe "comunijta"

    lowfour
    lowfour
    2024-06-27
    #533
    Edited 2024-06-27

    Que pereza dar un golpe de estado eh? Hasta al piloto guaperas ese facha venezolano le dieron matarile así sin miramientos.

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    lowfour
    lowfour
    2024-06-27
    #534

    Misiles hacia cubaaaaaa

    Misiles hacia cubaaaa

    Para ver a a Fidel

    Y hablaremos con el…

    https://www.reddit.com/r/berlin/s/8DAB63lCEj

    elarquitecto
    elarquitecto
    2024-06-30
    #535
    Edited 2024-06-30

    de momento, lo pongo aquí

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    nos vamos a cagar el domingo que viene, pero por la pata abajo

    no solo vence, casi dobla resultados anteriores

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    macron, en qué cojones estabas pensando al adelantar el sarao este???

    elarquitecto
    elarquitecto
    2024-07-02
    #536
    Edited 2024-07-02

    pues mientras aquí nos apretamos el culo hasta el domingo, para que los lepenistas no pillen cacho (o sea el menor posible)

    en usa-landia...

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    el enlace en la foto, el artículo es largo, yo hoy estoy un poco desfonado (me tiene el lowfour con "lo real" vs "la realidad" ya de buena mañana... y con el calor ya eso pasa factura 🤣)

    lowfour
    lowfour
    2024-07-02
    #537

    @elarquitecto (post #536)

    Pues está la otan haciendo planes de contingencia ante trump.

    NO ME PUEDO DE CREER QUE LA CÍA DEJE A ESTE MONGOLO FOLLAPUTINS AL CARGO CUANDO SE ZUMBARON AL JFK POR MUCHO MENOS

    lowfour
    lowfour
    2024-07-11
    #538

    Querían cepillarse al CEO de Rheinmetal (Leopards, Challenger 2, Lynx, 155s, Panthers)...

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1e0u66h/cnnusandgermanyfoiledrussianplotto/

    elarquitecto
    elarquitecto
    2024-07-12
    #539

    @lowfour (post #538)

    ostia, como no pueden zumbarse a peces más gordos, pues este mismo... el mensajito queda ahí, si te metes con rusia, más te vale tener al servicio secreto de tu parte o algo así

    lowfour
    lowfour
    2024-07-17
    #540

    A ver, Boris Pelopaja Johnson se ha ido preocupado a hablar con Trump para convencerle de que no abandone a Ucrania.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1e59z05/borisjohnsonmeetsdonaldtrumptotalkukraine/

    Por qué? Porque Trump ha puesto de candidato a vicepresidente a un tal Vance que es el mayor follaputins defensor de abandonar a Ukrania a su suerte y no darles NADA.

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