18 de agosto, el día de la infamia

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
Started 2025-08-18
320 posts
lowfour
lowfour
3d ago
#301

@elarquitecto wrote in post #300:

mira, forbes nos leediplomacia bien, pero mejor con gripen y eurofighters creando zonas de exclusión aérea

Es lo que haría Putin. Bueno, ya lo hizo en el aeropuerto de Kosovo. Adelantarse... ni dios se atreve a hacer nada. Qué hace el gnomo? Tirar un F35 o un Eurofighter? Primero está por ver si puede. Segundo no tiene cojones. Esa es la apuesta ganadora, si estuviera yo de consultor de la Von Der Leyen le diría, ahora o nunca. Manda los Eurofighters, los Gripens y los F16 y a ver qué coño dice el putin, el Witkoff, la Gabarovna y su puta madre.

No dirían NADA. A no ser que USA empiece a tirar aviones europeos. Pero vamos, antes de eso meten al gordo en una residencia.

lowfour
lowfour
3d ago
#302

250 aviones de la Coalition of the Willing. Con dos cojones, con bandera Europea o mejor aún, con bandera NATO. Total si el gordo ya se ha salido.

Nos íbamos a partir la caja cuando en vez de matar 10 personas tirando 400 misiles no lograran hacer NADA. A un coste monstruoso. Rusia PETA.

Pero claro, igual eso le da la excusa al enano para retirarse y decir "oye no que no queremos la guerra con la OTAN" y lavar la cara en plan victimista ante sus zombies.

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
3d ago
#303

@lowfour wrote in post #302:

250 aviones de la Coalition of the Willing. Con dos cojones, con bandera Europea o mejor aún, con bandera NATO. Total si el gordo ya se ha salido. Nos íbamos a partir la caja cuando en vez de matar 1...

pues igual es eso, eh?

mientras esté empantanado en ucrania, no está tocando los huevos en lituania o algo así

que ya los toca, por cierto, pero mejor que pierdan pasta y tener los activos congelados hasta que pete todo o algo así

lowfour
lowfour
3d ago
#304

Espera que de los leaks de la llamada del ruso de segunda generation Witkoff aquí tenemos más

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1p72qb7/leakedcallshowskremlinsdeputychief_ushakov/

lowfour
lowfour
3d ago
#305
Edited 3d ago

@lowfour wrote in post #304:

Espera que de los leaks de la llamada del ruso de segunda generation Witkoff aquí tenemos más

Lo leo y no lo creo. Es demencial.

Tio, pensábamos que con el 11s, la pandemia y tal lo habíamos visto TODO.

JA!

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1p72vao/leakedcallshowskremlinsdeputychiefushakov/

lowfour
lowfour
3d ago
#306
Edited 3d ago

La transcripción en ingles

"Putin Advisers Discuss Plans for Dealing With Trump: Transcript. 

The following is a transcript of an Oct. 29 phone call between Yuri Ushakov, Vladimir Putin’s most senior foreign-policy adviser, and Kirill Dmitriev, an economic adviser to the Russian president.

The transcript was prepared after Bloomberg reviewed a recording of the call. The original Russian is included below the translation for reference.

Ushakov: Hallo.

Dmitriev: Yuri Viktorovich.

Ushakov: Yes, Kirill Aleksandrovich, well, I’ve sent everything there. We’ll talk tomorrow.

Dmitriev: Well, great, great. Yes, yes, yes. I flew to Saudi Arabia. But it seems to me it’s very important, because it’s a really good way forward.

Ushakov: Well, we need the maximum, don’t you think? What do you think? Otherwise, what’s the point of passing anything on?

Dmitriev: No, look. I think we’ll just make this paper from our position, and I’ll informally pass it along, making it clear that it’s all informal. And let them do like their own. But, I don’t think they’ll take exactly our version, but at least it’ll be as close to it as possible.

Ushakov: Well, that’s exactly the point. They might not take and say that it was agreed with us. That’s what I’m afraid of.

Dmitriev: No, no, no. I’ll say it exactly as you say it, word for word.

Ushakov: They might twist it later, that’s all. There is that risk. There is. Well, alright, never mind. We’ll see.

Dmitriev: Yeah, it seems to me you can talk later with Steve about this paper. We will do everything neatly.

Ushakov: [Unclear]

Dmitriev: Thank you so much, Yuri Viktorovich. Thank you so much, thank you. Goodbye. "

lowfour
lowfour
3d ago
#308

La transcripción de OswaldoGPT, ostia puta ChatGPT es sudoku!

Ushakov: Aló.

Dmitriev: Yuri Viktorovich.

Ushakov: Sí, Kirill Aleksandrovich, bueno, ya envié todo allá. Hablaremos mañana.

Dmitriev: Bueno, genial, genial. Sí, sí, sí. Volé a Arabia Saudita. Pero me parece que es muy importante, porque es una muy buena forma de avanzar.

Ushakov: Bueno, necesitamos el máximo, ¿no te parece? ¿Tú qué opinas? Si no, ¿para qué pasarles algo?

Dmitriev: No, mira. Creo que simplemente haremos este documento desde nuestra posición, y yo lo pasaré informalmente, dejando claro que todo es informal. Y que ellos hagan como si fuera suyo. Pero no creo que tomen exactamente nuestra versión, pero al menos será lo más parecido posible.

Ushakov: Bueno, de eso se trata exactamente. Puede que no la tomen y digan que fue acordado con nosotros. Eso es lo que me da miedo.

Dmitriev: No, no, no. Lo diré exactamente como tú lo digas, palabra por palabra.

Ushakov: Pueden tergiversarlo después, eso es todo. Ese riesgo existe. Existe. Bueno, está bien, no importa. Ya veremos.

Dmitriev: Sí, me parece que luego puedes hablar con Steve sobre este documento. Haremos todo cuidadosamente.

Ushakov: [Ininteligible]

Dmitriev: Muchas gracias, Yuri Viktorovich. Muchas gracias, muchas gracias. Adiós.

lowfour
lowfour
3d ago
#309

Aló Platanote???

lowfour
lowfour
3d ago
#310

Ojo que son conversaciones leaked!!!!

A LA INTELIGENCIA DEL DEEP STATE SE LE HAN HINCHADO LOS COJONES Y HAN SOLTADO LAS ESCUCHAS???

lowfour
lowfour
3d ago
#312
Edited 3d ago

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LOS PACHASOOOOOS

lowfour
lowfour
3d ago
#313

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Von Der Leyen: "Nothing about NATO without NATO"

With the work done in Geneva as Europeans, and with Ukraine and the US, we now have a starting point.

I will outline some of the core priorities of Europe going forward.

First, any peace agreement needs to include robust security guarantees.

Ukraine and Europe’s security must be guaranteed for the long-term.

Second, Ukraine’s sovereignty must be upheld.

Its borders, immovable by forces.

Sovereignty also means being able to choose your own future.

Ukraine has chosen a European destiny. Its future lies in our Union.

Third, securing Ukraine’s financial needs over 2026-27.

The Commission has presented an options paper, including using immobilised Russian assets.

Now we’re ready to present the legal text.

Fourth, the implementation of any peace agreement will mostly come down to the EU and its NATO partners.

So one principle has been accepted.

Nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine.

Nothing about Europe without Europe.

Nothing about NATO without NATO.

lowfour
lowfour
3d ago
#314

RELEASE THE GRIPENS COJONES YA

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
3d ago
#315

@lowfour wrote in post #306:

La transcripción en ingles"Putin Advisers Discuss Plans for Dealing With Trump: Transcript. The following is a transcript of an Oct. 29 phone call between Yuri Ushakov, Vladimir Putin’s most senior fo...

ostia puta, que tenemos transcripción y todo

mira, tanto que decíamos que nosotros aquí manejando info sin ser "inteligencia", adivina quién ha filtrado esto

y lo que es más divertido, quién lo grabó?? y cómo??

jajajaja

me lol (bueno, no, que significa que el kremlin está en el despacho oval a sus anchas)

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
3d ago
#316

che, no te puedes ir un rato que a la vuelta te han detenido al witkoff por alta traición o algo así

venganomejodas, que les han pillao con el carrito del helado y han filtrado lo que saben (bueno, parte, jajjajaja!) poniendo en peligro los informantes o lo que sea

igual no se vienen gripens, eh? se vienen arrestos por colaboración con el enemigo (yo lo veo)

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
3d ago
#317

mira, el phill opina como yo (que el witkoff es un pringao y que es un lobo solitario precisamente)

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en lo único que discrepo es que el wetnoodel sea el responsable intelectual de todo esto, yo le veo como otra marioneta más, pero bueno, supongamos que es así y que es un poco lo del vexler y el narcisismo

sea como sea, animo al pentágono a presentar cargos por traición

lowfour
lowfour
3d ago
#318

@elarquitecto wrote in post #317:

mira, el phill opina como yo (que el witkoff es un pringao y que es un lobo solitario precisamente)en lo único que discrepo es que el wetnoodel sea el responsable intelectual de todo esto, yo le veo c...

Es que es lo que digo... esto lo ha filtrado el kremlin (pa mearse de nuevo en Trump) o lo ha filtrado la inteligencia USAna.

lowfour
lowfour
3d ago
#319

Yo flipo que no esté abriendo el NYT y si la mierda esa de "Putin lo tiene en el bolsillo".

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
3d ago
#320

@lowfour wrote in post #318:

@elarquitecto wrote in post #317:mira, el phill opina como yo (que el witkoff es un pringao y que es un lobo solitario precisamente)en lo único que discrepo es que el wetnoodel sea el responsable inte...

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nono, esto han sido los ucros, que están infiltrados en moscú

vamos, no creo que le kremlin saque beneficio de destruyendo al witkoff por las risas

y los del pentagono no hacen esto, los que harían esto están a las órdenes de la gabarovna, aunque igual se han salido de control o algo así, quién sabe (pero se habrían delatado y no interesa)

yo apuesto por los ucros (aunque con lo del gaseoducto apostaba por auto-sabotaje ruski y parece que no fue así, los ucros también)

si consiguen quitarse al trucho, mejor

si no, les quitan las apariencias de "neutralidad" (como si fuera necesario, bueno, un poco sí)

de hecho, lo que pone en alemán es justamente que los republicanos están escandalizados

Witkoffs Tipps für Moskau entsetzen Republikaner

básicamente es que los consejos del witkof espantan a los republicanos

en fin, que yo apuesto por los ucros (o alguno europeo, que igual aquí también tenemos gente competente espiando...)

el mosad igual lo sabe, pero no lo ha filtrado

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
3d ago
#321
Edited 3d ago

@lowfour wrote in post #319:

Yo flipo que no esté abriendo el NYT y si la mierda esa de "Putin lo tiene en el bolsillo".

si, deben de estar pidiendo permiso o algo así

o tratando de colarlo como "normal" o yoquesé, a ver cómo hacen el control de daños

en su descargo, el wapo tampoco

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lowfour
lowfour
3d ago
#322

Espera que han puesto el ventilador de mierda... parece que hay muchos senadores republicanos que han dicho YA BASTA de rusos

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1p75avz/usarmysecretarywarnedukraineofimminent/

U.S. Army secretary warned Ukraine of imminent defeat while pushing initial peace plan

The meeting last week was just the latest example of a long-running rift inside the Trump administration over how to end the war in Ukraine.

In a meeting with Ukrainian officials in Kyiv last week, U.S. Army Secretary Dan Driscoll delivered a grim assessment.

Driscoll told his counterparts their troops faced a dire situation on the battlefield and would suffer an imminent defeat against Russian forces, two sources with knowledge of the matter told NBC News.

The Russians were ramping up the scale and pace of their aerial attacks, and they had the ability to fight on indefinitely, Driscoll told them, according to the sources. The situation for Ukraine would only get worse over time, he continued, and it was better to negotiate a peace settlement now rather than end up in an even weaker position in the future.

And there was more bad news. The U.S. delegation also said America’s defense industry could not keep supplying Ukraine with the weapons and air defenses at the rate needed to protect the country’s infrastructure and population, the sources said.

Daniel Driscoll Hearing Jan 30

U.S. Army Secretary Dan Driscoll in the Dirksen building, Washington, D.C., on Jan. 30.Tom Williams / Sipa USA via Reuters

Driscoll’s message came after he had presented a U.S.-backed peace plan that Kyiv officials viewed as a capitulation to Moscow, according to the two sources.

“The message was basically — you are losing,” one of the sources said, “and you need to accept the deal.”

The meeting between Driscoll and the Ukrainians was part of an effort by some Trump administration officials to press the Ukrainians to accept the new U.S.-backed peace proposal without delay, even though it embraced Russia’s maximalist demands and required painful concessions from Kyiv’s government, multiple current and former Western officials said.

Ukraine politely declined to sign on to the peace plan as it was presented, and the proposal has been heavily revised since the discussions between Driscoll and Ukrainian officials last week.

The meeting was just the latest example of a long-running rift inside the Trump administration over how to end the war in Ukraine. The split features a looming potential political rivalry between two former senators and potential presidential hopefuls positioning themselves for 2028: Vice President JD Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio.

One camp, including Vance, special envoy Steve Witkoff and other officials, views Ukraine as the primary obstacle to peace and favors using U.S. leverage to force Kyiv to make major compromises, according to multiple current and former officials.

The other camp, represented by Rubio and other officials, sees Russia as the culprit for having launched an unprovoked invasion of its neighbor and says Moscow will relent only if it pays a price for its aggression through sanctions and other pressure.

With his deputies vying for his attention along with Republican lawmakers and European leaders, President Donald Trump has veered back and forth on how to resolve the conflict.

“It was clear for some time that there was a divide, but we’ve never seen it in action publicly quite the way we have in the last few days,” said a former senior U.S. diplomat with experience in Eastern Europe.

Ukrainian servicemen fire a self-propelled howitzer towards Russian troopsn near the front line town of Pokrovsk

Ukrainian servicemen fire a Caesar self-propelled howitzer toward Russian troops near the front-line town of Pokrovsk in the Donetsk region of Ukraine on Sunday. Anatolii Stepanov / Reuters

Reached for comment Tuesday, the White House referred to a social media post in which Trump said the original peace plan has been “fine-tuned, with additional input from both sides, and there are only a few remaining points of disagreement.”

“I look forward to hopefully meeting with President Zelenskyy and President Putin soon, but ONLY when the deal to end this War is FINAL or, in its final stages,” Trump added in the post.

A State Department spokesperson said, “President Trump’s entire team, including Secretary Rubio, Special Envoy Witkoff, Secretary Driscoll, and many others, are working in lockstep, as they have been for 10 months, to bring an end to the senseless and destructive war.”

The Ukrainian Embassy in Washington did not respond to a request for comment.

Grave doubts

The frenetic diplomacy began last week after a purported 28-point U.S. peace plan leaked to the media.

The plan was the product of discussions in Miami between Russian President Vladimir Putin’s envoy, Kirill Dmitriev, and his U.S. counterpart, Witkoff, according to two sources with knowledge of the meeting.

White House officials told reporters it was an American proposal, even though the document embraced Russia’s repeated demands to force Ukraine to cede territory it controls, scale back its military and give up ever joining the NATO alliance. Some elements of the plan contradicted the Trump administration’s previously stated positions, including language that implied U.S. military forces would be barred from Poland.

Republican and Democratic senators said Rubio had told them it was a plan drafted by the Russians. But Rubio later said their account was false, and he and the White House later insisted it was a U.S. proposal with Russian and Ukrainian “input.”

In an unusual move, the White House chose Driscoll, the Army secretary, to brief the Ukrainians on the proposal, instead of a senior diplomat. Driscoll, an old Yale Law School classmate of Vance’s, was headed to Ukraine on a previously scheduled visit to discuss drone technology, NBC News previously reported.

Taken aback by the peace proposal’s terms, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy expressed grave doubts but stopped short of vetoing the plan, saying his government was ready to hold diplomatic discussions.

Rubio used cautious language about the plan after it leaked, posting on X that peace would “require both sides to agree to difficult but necessary concessions” and that the United States would “continue to develop a list of potential ideas for ending this war.”

Trump, meanwhile, ramped up pressure on Ukraine, telling reporters that Zelenskyy’s choice was to accept a peace deal or “continue to fight his little heart out.”

US Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Ukraine's Presidential Office Chief of staff Andriy Yermak hold a press conference.

Andriy Yermak, chief of staff the Ukrainian presidential office, and Secretary of State Marco Rubio at a news conference after their closed-door talks at the U.S. Mission in Geneva on Sunday.Fabrice Coffrini / AFP via Getty Images

Rubio flew to Geneva over the weekend, and after talks with the Ukrainians and appeals from European diplomats, the most problematic provisions for Ukraine were removed or revised, according to multiple Western officials and sources with knowledge of the matter.

Instead of the take-it-or-leave-it tone White House officials used about the peace plan earlier, Rubio portrayed the discussions as fluid and said the plan was rapidly evolving. “This is a living, breathing document. Every day with input it changes,” he told reporters in Geneva.

By Tuesday, the Ukrainians had struck a positive note, expressing optimism about what was now a 19-point plan under discussion.

“Our delegations reached a common understanding on the core terms of the agreement discussed in Geneva,” Rustem Umerov, secretary of Ukraine’s national security and defense council, wrote on social media. And he raised the prospect of a possible visit to Washington by Zelenskyy to seal the deal.

Driscoll traveled on to Abu Dhabi, where he held talks with a Russian delegation Monday and Tuesday, officials said.

With the peace plan revised from its original form, it resembled previous proposals that Russia has rebuffed.

Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, who had “welcomed” the initial draft from last week, suggested Tuesday that the Kremlin might reject what was now on the table. Lavrov cited discussions in August between Trump and Putin at a summit in Anchorage, Alaska, saying the latest draft proposal appeared to contradict the understanding reached in those talks.

“Some forces want to jeopardize efforts by Donald Trump and to change the peace plan,” Lavrov said, adding, “If the ‘spirit’ of Anchorage will be wiped out from this plan, then it’s going to be a whole other story.”

As in previous U.S. diplomatic efforts, one faction in the administration had tried to champion a proposal that favored Russia and other officials had pushed back, with the backing of European governments and senior Republicans in Congress, according to Western officials, former U.S. diplomats and experts.

“If the split lasts, it’s going to be very difficult to pursue a coherent policy,” said William Taylor, a former ambassador to Ukraine who is now a fellow at the Atlantic Council think tank.

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
3d ago
#323

bueno, el wapo sí que lo cuenta, pero mete el titular raruzo

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lowfour
lowfour
3d ago
#324

Ojostiznaos está a sueldo de rusia fijo... es un hustler, un muerto de hambre, madre yonki y carruselera, carne de trailer park... esos son los que te pisan el cuello por cuatro duros. El más fácil de comprar.

lowfour
lowfour
3d ago
#325

menudo guano.

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
3d ago
#326

@lowfour wrote in post #324:

Ojostiznaos está a sueldo de rusia fijo... es un hustler, un muerto de hambre, madre yonki y carruselera, carne de trailer park... esos son los que te pisan el cuello por cuatro duros. El más fácil de...

eso lo dijimos hace meses, ojostiznaos moskovskaya

yo lo que no entiendo es cómo no están cortando relaciones con el truchinato por toda europa con todo esto, eh?

no se puede pretender ser "neutral", que te pillen pasteleando con el puto mafioso y que no pase nada

a ver, que si haces como que no pasa nada, es porque sabes que obtienes un beneficio mayor dejando al trucho seguir como si nada... pero ya huele

y bueno, lo mismo dentro de usa, los cargos de traición están ahí

la movida es que el supremo es trucho

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