Algo pasa con la ofensiva rusa. Está atascada

lowfour
lowfour
Started 2022-04-20
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lowfour
lowfour
2022-06-14
#1021

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/06/14/world/russia-ukraine-war-news/by-fighting-for-dead-cities-ukraine-aims-to-maximize-russian-casualties-analysts-say?smid=url-share

By fighting for a ‘dead’ city, Ukraine aims to maximize Russian casualties, analysts say.

KYIV, Ukraine — As the eastern city of Sievierodonetsk appears close to falling to Russia, military analysts say that Ukraine’s outgunned and outnumbered forces are trying to draw out the fight to inflict more casualties against Moscow.

Russia has been using its advantage in longer-range artillery to bombard eastern cities from a distance, leveling them and killing or driving out civilians, raising the question of whether it is worth the cost in Ukrainian soldiers’ lives to defend them. President Volodymyr Zelensky has described Sievierodonetsk as a “dead” city.

In Sievierodonetsk, the analysts say, the Ukrainians’ hope is that by drawing Russian forces into street-by-street battles, they can defuse Moscow’s heavy weapons advantage, at least for a time, since close-quarter fighting raises the risk for Russia that artillery strikes would bombard their own soldiers.

“If the Ukrainians succeed in trying to drag them into house-to-house combat, there is a higher chance of inducing casualties on the Russians that they cannot afford,” said Gustav Gressel, a Ukraine expert from the European Council on Foreign Relations.

Still, the Ukrainians are taking a chance by drawing the Russians into street fighting, risking getting trapped in the city — especially as the last bridge that would allow a fast escape has been destroyed. Mr. Zelensky has also acknowledged the cost of close combat “in terms of the number of people killed, the number of losses.”

But with Western weapons slow in coming, the Ukrainians appear to be calculating that it is worth the risk for now.

Although street fighting kills large numbers of Ukrainian soldiers — officials have estimated that Ukraine is losing up to 200 soldiers daily in battle — it also inflicts casualties on the Russians in greater numbers than uneven artillery and tank battles in the open fields.

Before the Russian invasion, the Ukrainian military had studied approaches to fighting an enemy with superior armored vehicle and artillery capabilities, including by drawing lessons from urban combat in cities such as Aleppo in the Syrian war.

In December, military instructors told volunteers preparing to defend Kyiv, the capital, to fight in urban locations at the closest possible engagement ranges, to prevent the Russians from calling in artillery without risking strikes that would hit their own soldiers, too.

These tactics were not needed within Kyiv, because Russian forces were repelled before entering the city. But Ukraine put them to use in urban combat in Mariupol, where Ukrainian fighters facing much larger Russian forces were able to engage the enemy troops for weeks.

Mykhailo Samus, the deputy head of the Center for Army, Conversion and Disarmament Studies, argued that the Ukrainian military’s dogged resistance had also bought its forces time, holding Russia off from advancing farther into eastern Ukraine as they hope that more shipments of Western weapons arrive. The goal, he said, is to “exhaust, or reduce, the enemy’s offensive capabilities.”

It is not clear, however, how long such a strategy can work in Donbas, where the largely flat plains favor Russian artillery, and as longer-range weapons from the United States and other Ukrainian allies are slow to arrive. While Ukrainian casualties mount, Mr. Zelensky has acknowledged that Russia has more troops it can use as “cannon fodder.”

In a speech this week to the American Jewish Committee Global Forum, he repeated his plea for allies to send more arms, more quickly.

“We need powerful weapons for the offensive, without which the war will only drag on and the number of victims will increase,” he said.

Oleksandr Chubko contributed reporting.

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2022-06-15
#1022

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1536853505050300416

a tiro de obus de jerson

mira que si los rusos pierden jerson antes de tomar severodonets...

LurkerIII
LurkerIII
2022-06-15
#1023

Habéis leído que para intentar joder Severodonetsk bombardearon los puentes que la unen con Lysychansk, y bloquear la linea de suministros? Pues ahora a ver lo que les va a costar pasar ese río, viendo como lo pasaron en otros cruces.

lowfour
lowfour
2022-06-16
#1024

@LurkerIII (post #1023)

Pues también he leído que los rusos básicamente les ponen difícil la salida a los Ukros en Sieverodonestk volando el último puente.

Vamos a ver. Voy a explorar ahora por el NYT a ver que se cuentan.

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2022-06-16
#1025

@lowfour (post #1024) yo creo que les petan los puentes para evitar la llegada de material, munición, etc

pero bueno, los rusos ya sabemos que tienen sus ideas propias

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2022-06-16
#1026
Edited 2022-06-16

por cierto, os cuento una muy graciosa (a mí me ha hecho gracia)

NO HAY MOSTAZA

bueno, en dijon, en restolmundo igual no es para tanto

estaba escuchando en la radio a unos franchutes diciendo que en dijon tuvieron pedrisco y les jodió las cosechas, pero eso no fue todo, porque importan casi todo de canadá (que no tienen normas UE sobre pesticidas y tal... ejemmm), solo que en canadá tuvieron, atención, sequia!! (ojo, ambas cosas relacionadas con el cambio climático)

para colmo, cuando pasan estas cosas, pues tiraban de mostazas del este (que son amarillas y no marrones, como les gusta a los alemanes, polacos, etc), que no son iguales, pero apañan... y resulta que... venían de ucrania y rusia principalmente, que están en guerra

y redondeando, pues tienen más demanda que nunca, lógicamente el restolmundo se ha quedado sin mostaza igualmente y les piden a ellos más, pero tampoco hay

o sea, hay, pero no cubre la demanda ni de blas

ah, y los franchutes se han coscao y están acaparando... combo premium

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2022-06-16
#1027

Image

los encorbataos y el mazao

qué ostia les daba zelensky si no fuera porque necesita que le pasen armas y munición

lowfour
lowfour
2022-06-16
#1028

Oye los chechenos kadirovitas que igual se hubieran quedao mejor haciendo tiktoks eh?

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/vdlfcu/kadyrovsoldiersfightnearlysychanskukraine/

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2022-06-16
#1029

@lowfour (post #1028)

pues al reservista no la han dao fusil y está ahí a ver si le dan el del muerto, eh??

o el casco o loquesea

Jag
Jag
2022-06-16
#1030
Edited 2022-06-16

@elarquitecto (post #1029)

Eso mismo estaba pensando, un reservista de 60 palos, con gorra, sin casco o arma, ayudando a un tío del que han pasado sus propios colegas.......

P.D. al tiktokero, que le ha pasado? si no tiene sangre......

P.D.2 si tiene algo, por qué nadie le pone una mierda venda o algo?.......

lowfour
lowfour
2022-06-16
#1031
Edited 2022-06-16

Mala manera de morir por el imperio. Zona de kherson

https://reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/vdmhyq/arussianhelicopterbeingshotdownbyamanpad/

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2022-06-16
#1035

Image

básicamente dice que de 20k, el 50% ya no lucha porque 40% está herido y el 10% muerto

la mitad del ejército está fuera de combate y 1 de cada 10 muerto, 2 de cada 5 herido

yo creo que han tenido suerte de no tener tanques, las cifras no habrían sido 1-4 sino mucho peores

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2022-06-16
#1036

https://www.ft.com/content/33008ab7-301e-4ed0-aa12-98c2b9866192

“The west’s treachery isn’t a reason to slam the windows and doors shut. We will go [our] separate ways with the proponents of sanctions, but we have partners in other regions of the world who are behaving in a consistent and principled manner.”

“Western businesses and countries are suffering from rising energy prices,” he said. “And Russian businesses are winning because they’re taking over market niches they never could have dreamed of,” he added. “The only shame is [officials] waited for the west to cut them off instead of doing it themselves first.”

However, not all foreign delegates shared Russia’s confidence, with one senior western businessman saying: “How convincing is it when you replaced the biggest global corporates with a delegation from the Taliban?

eah, road to best-korea!

LurkerIII
LurkerIII
2022-06-17
#1037

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@Jag (post #1030) D. al tiktokero, que le ha pasado? si no tiene sangre......

En los comentarios de Reddit tratan de contarlo: este que se muere es un reservista al que le tocó en una unidad de tiktokers. Le pegaron un tiro, que no se ve sangrar porque está por debajo del antibalas, entrada en la parte superior de la espalda que se ve en el 00.29, y los tiktokers pasaron de su culo.

LurkerIII
LurkerIII
2022-06-17
#1038

@lowfour (post #1024) Si, acabarán cazando los ucranianos que queden en Sievierodonetsk y no puedan huir, pero por lo visto son muy pocos y podrían hasta intentar cruzar.

lowfour
lowfour
2022-06-17
#1040

@LurkerIII (post #1039)

Esto es importante eh? Rusia está montando el Catenaccio y eso va en contra de Ucrania, que necesita la de dios de apoyo solo para resistir y sus apoyos se pueden resquebrajar. Al final se va a decidir a ver quién tiene fuelle económico para no reventar antes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/16/world/europe/ukraine-eu-macron-scholz-zelensky.html

Europe Offers Ukraine a Hope of Joining the E.U., but Not a Vast Arsenal


In their first wartime visit to Kyiv, the leaders of France and Germany countered doubts about their commitment to Ukraine defeating Russia, but did not promise the weapons Ukrainians have called for.

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Chancellor Olaf Scholz of Germany said that he and his fellow leaders had come “with a clear message: Ukraine belongs to the European family.”

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The European Commission, the executive arm of the European Union, is expected to announce on Friday its official recommendation on Ukraine’s application to become a formal candidate for membership. The approval process could take years.

Jag
Jag
2022-06-17
#1042

@lowfour (post #1041)

Cojones como pianos bajando esas escaleras y paseando por esas azoteas.

lowfour
lowfour
2022-06-17
#1043

@Jag (post #1042)

Al principio no me había fijado que había un sniper ahí esperando a que pasase uno y volarle la cabeza. Los tiros consistentemente en el armazón de la escalera.

LurkerIII
LurkerIII
2022-06-17
#1044

@lowfour (post #1043)

lowfour
lowfour
2022-06-17
#1045

@LurkerIII (post #1044)

Películón!!!!!

LurkerIII
LurkerIII
2022-06-17
#1046

Parece que el ejército sin flota ha hundido otro barco:

https://mobile.twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1537703406151819267

lowfour
lowfour
2022-06-19
#1050

Los rusos de a pie se huelen que la cosa no va bien.

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