reclutamiento especial rusia 2022

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
Started 2022-09-23
151 posts
elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2022-09-23
#1

abro hilo porque esto merece uno aparte

creo que podemos empezar con este tuit

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1573247133448376320

ahí se ve que bien podrían cambiar "centro de reclutamiento" por "matadero del frente del donbas" o algo así, sin mayor problema

pero es que pasa esto también:

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1573270791764201472

de ser cierto, es brutal la disonancia cognitiva de esta gente, eh?

Z mola, pero si es para que le toque disparar a un buriato o algo así

luego pasan estas otras cosas

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1573255747529482241

que tiene pinta de que más que un reclutamiento es un sorteo para que te volatilicen en el frente

si es que llegas al frente... que esta es otra

otro testimonio, el de un "recluta" que tiene algún asuntillo médico, pero como no hay chequeos ni información al respecto en las oficinas de los mataderos... pues... ale, al frente!

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1573250936566325248



elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2022-09-23
#2

https://twitter.com/squatsons/status/1572945524348846087

por supuesto, están reclutando más intensivamente en zonas de etnias no-privilegiadas, o sea, a los pobres y tal

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2022-09-23
#4

kasparov también sabe que esto no es una salida para rusia de ninguna manera

https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/1572653503990075392



elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2022-09-23
#5
Edited 2022-09-23

https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1573269422466285569

camas?? eso es un lujo occidental!

y catres??? eso también!

Jag
Jag
2022-09-23
#6

Madre mía, eso es de locos. Qué caos!!!!!

lowfour
lowfour
2022-09-23
#7
Edited 2022-09-23

Es terrorífico... el vídeo ese donde el militar les manda callar me ha puesto muy mal cuerpo. Joder, imagínate. Un día estás tranquilamente con tu familia y al día siguiente te mandan al picadero. Así, por mis cojones. Por supuesto es algo que sabíamos, que habíamos oído. Pero otra cosa muy diferente es verlo a través de los móviles. Vemos la realidad por primera vez desde mil ángulos, momentos íntimos, momentos terroríficos... y de repente la guerra no es algo abstracto que le pasa a otros en otros tiempos. Es algo real que nos puede pasar a nosotros.

No tiene nada de romanticismo, nada de heroicidad. No tiene nada de puro. Es demencial. Anoche por descuido vi uno de los videos más atroces que han salido de Ukrania y de cualquier otra guerra. Dos rusos durmiendo en un hoyo son descubiertos por un drone ukro, que les suelta un pepino que les explota encima. Uno se queda medio moñeco y solo atina a abrazar a su compañero, el otro intenta levantarse y ponerse un torniquete para parar la hemorragia de su pierna pero no vale de nada y a los dos minutos entra en shock y muere. Estremecedor, no hagáis como yo y ahorraros las pesadillas.

Es tan atroz, tan jodido. No hay buenos ni malos. En la guerra somos todos malos. Y nos lo retransmiten casi en tiempo real.

Me está empezando a tocar seriamente todo esto.

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2022-09-23
#9

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1573258990183751680

esta vez no son partisanos quemando cosas en rusia, eh?

son los rusos!

mecagonsandios, tenía razón la melania el otro día, no se han puesto a quemar cosas hasta que no han visto que les puede tocar de cerca la guerra

lowfour
lowfour
2022-09-23
#10
Edited 2022-09-23

@elarquitecto (post #8)

Ahí he estado yo, Vladivostok, Nakhodka, etc... los petroleros, la Taiga. Acojonante la juerga que me corrí una noche, que al día siguiente fuimos a una reunión apestando a alcohol.. y para los Rusos les parecía correcto. Demencial ver esto para mi. Se me cae el alma a los pies. Hace 20 años ahí estaba yo tomando cervezas rodeados de chicas guapas y macarras. Y ahora esto?

Jag
Jag
2022-09-23
#11
Edited 2022-09-23

Están reclutando sin ton ni son. No hay listas, solamente un número y para mí que les han dicho a los polis..... Id a pillar a los más cutres y panolis o a los que más guerra den, y les dais un papelito. Lo de las imágenes de la poli repartiendo papelitos a la salida del metro es brutal.

Y aún algunos van contentos... copón si tenían que ametrallar a los mandos en cuanto les fuesen un arma, que van forzosos a invadir otro país!!!

@"lowfour"#2 los dos de la trinchera cubiertos y el dron lo vi ayer..... Me sorprendió lo pronto que se quedó moñeco con la hemorragia. Y el compañero, totalmente desorientado también. Eso lo hizo la Honda expansiva, estaban reventados por dentro porque la bomba en sí era pequeña.

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2022-09-23
#12

@Jag (post #11)

sin ton ni son, no

bien se cuidan de no tocar a las clases privilegiadas (salvo que sean disidentes o algo así)

están dejando rusia sin mano de obra, bueno, rusia no, las periferias, que ya son pobres y les importa una mierda si lo son más



elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2022-09-23
#13

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1573328142563168263

joder, parece una despedida de soltero o algo así

yo creo que beben para olvidar

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2022-09-23
#14
Edited 2022-09-23

rifles de cerrojo para los nuevos

https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1573290703127547905

que los ak van caros

vale, no, es fake

bueno, más o menos, porque sí que se ven rifles de cerrojo en el donbas

lowfour
lowfour
2022-09-23
#15

@elarquitecto (post #13)

Lo haces aposta? Ahí vivía yo! Demencial.

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2022-09-23
#16

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1573360479413874688

en moscú dicen que igual reclutan 16k

habrá que verlo para creerlo



Jag
Jag
2022-09-23
#17

@elarquitecto (post #12)

No están dejando Rusia sin mano de obra, eso ya lo importaban de los tanes (Kazajistán, etc...) Qué ya veremos si en breve quieren inmigrar, es que están dejando Rusia sin futuro.

La pirámide poblacional rusa da más miedo que la española que ya es decir, y están enviando al matadero a la juventud...... Muy lógico todo. A ver de dónde sacan eslavos blanquitos en breve los lazis estos.

lowfour
lowfour
2022-09-23
#18
Edited 2022-09-23

@Jag (post #17)

Como lo has visto! Lo has clavado. Están dejando a pueblecitos de Yakutia sin granjeros. Pueblecitos de 300 personas de donde se llevan a 47 hombres. Y se están mosqueando, claro, porque les condena a la muerte como pueblos.

Mientras en Moscú siguen yendo al café Stars y "Tasty Times" (el sucedáneo de McDonalds).

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/23/world/europe/russia-draft-ukraine-putin.html



Putin’s Draft Draws Resistance in Russia’s Far-Flung Regions



Villagers, activists and some elected officials asked why the conscription drive seemed to be hitting poor, remote areas hardest, while pro-war hawks criticized it as chaotic.



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President Vladimir V. Putin’s surprise draft to reinforce his invasion of Ukraine ran into growing resistance across Russia on Friday as villagers, activists and even some elected officials asked why the conscription drive appeared to be hitting minority groups and rural areas harder than the big cities.

Some of the greatest anguish played out hundreds or thousands of miles away from the front line, in the Caucasus Mountains and the northeastern region of Yakutia, a sparsely populated expanse that straddles the Arctic Circle. Community leaders described remote villages where much of the working-age male population received conscription notices in recent days, leaving families that subsist off the land without men around to work ahead of the long winter.

“We have reindeer herders, hunters, fishermen — we have so few of them anyway,” Vyacheslav Shadrin, the chairman of the council of elders for a small Indigenous group known as the Yukaghirs, said in a phone interview. “But they are the ones being drafted most of all.”

Mr. Putin announced the call-up on Wednesday, describing it as a “partial mobilization” necessary to counter Ukraine and its Western backers, who he said were seeking Russia’s destruction. It was a move he had long delayed making, even as supporters of the war clamored for a draft in order to allow Russia to intensify its assault.

Russia would mobilize about 300,000 civilians, defense officials said, focusing on men with military experience and special skills, though some Russian media that now operate outside the country reported that the number could be much higher.

But by Friday, even some of the hawkish commentators who had been urging a draft were criticizing the sweeping and uneven way it appeared to be rolling out. A popular pro-war blog on Telegram, Rybar, described receiving “huge numbers of stories” of people with health problems or without combat experience getting draft notices, even as some volunteers were being turned away.

Rather than helping Russia’s war effort, hawks warned, the chaotic conscription could end up harming it. And some said the military officials carrying out the order cared more about formally fulfilling orders than winning the war.

“If we’re doing a mobilization, then it should be the foundation of strengthening the army,” Andrei Medvedev, a Moscow lawmaker and state television host, wrote on Telegram. “And not the cause of upheaval.”

In Yakutia, an association representing the region's main ethnic group, the Sakha, warned the draft could have dire consequences there. The group circulated a letter to Mr. Putin saying that the mobilization could lead to a “denuding of the male component of the already sparsely populated northern districts of Yakutia.”

**And even a member of Russian Parliament who represents the region, Sardana V. Avksentieva, wrote on social media on Thursday that she had heard of a 300-person village in which 47 men were called up.**

“What is the logic of these numbers?” she asked, asserting that people in rural regions were being drafted at a higher rate than in the cities. “What proportionality are we talking about?”

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There were signs of turmoil as soon as Mr. Putin announced the draft, despite his characterization of it as only “partial.” It appeared that all swaths of society were affected to some degree — shattering the feeling of normalcy that the Kremlin had sought to maintain inside Russia for the first seven months of the war. A new wave of Russians packed flights, cars and buses out of the country. And Russian businesses, including airlines, tech companies and agricultural firms, were concerned about how the call-up could affect them, the Kommersant newspaper reported.

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Amid those questions, the Defense Ministry said that **Russian men with certain white-collar jobs in banking, I.T. and telecommunications would not be called on to join the war effort. In Parliament, lawmakers promised to give draftees a break from loan payments and to require employers to keep their jobs.**

For all the improvisation, it appeared that the Kremlin was aware of the political risks of ordering civilians into service. Analysts say that Mr. Putin had put off declaring a draft, despite his military’s widespread manpower shortages and heavy losses, fearing a domestic backlash.

Far-flung regions, minority groups and rural areas appeared to be the hardest hit, at least at the outset. Kirill Shamiev, who studies Russian civil-military relations at the Central European University in Vienna, said that was because remote areas and marginalized groups were seen as less likely to protest.

**“The Kremlin is doing what it has been doing for forever,” he said. “Its first filter is preserving the power of Vladimir Putin in Russia. That’s why the number of people called up for service is significantly higher in the regions, in the rural areas, small towns.”**

**Still, he said, the Kremlin’s approach of “obey or you’ll be repressed,” could backfire when conscripts return from the front lines to tell the truth about the war to their communities.**

“The risks for Vladimir Putin personally have risen significantly,” he said, because the military and the defense sector “became the core elements of the Kremlin’s legitimacy.”

Interviews with people in three regions in Russia’s predominantly Muslim Caucasus Mountains suggested widespread fear of mobilization. In Chechnya, a small-business owner described seeing few men on the streets of Grozny, the capital, and said a mosque that was typically overflowing on Fridays was one-third empty.

In Kabardino-Balkaria, a local activist reported that one village of 2,500 had seen 38 people drafted, and that there was talk of **young men injuring themselves to avoid conscription**. But few people were protesting, he said, because civic life had been virtually liquidated.

And in Ingushetia, a Russian Army officer said he was trying to avoid going to Ukraine.

**“People are close to panic,” he said. “The police are stopping cars and handing over draft notices.”**

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All spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of retribution. Rooslan Totrov, a journalist from the Caucasus region of North Ossetia who is now based in Dubai, said that **the draft had become a “reality check” for people who supported the war from afar.**

**“As soon as this suddenly starts affecting your relatives, loved ones and acquaintances, there’s a natural, human, defensive reaction,” he said. “The first question that many, many, many people have started to ask is: Why?”**

In Yakutia’s isolated settlements, which often lack high-speed internet, Russian state television remains the most important source of news for many. Mr. Shadrin, the Yukaghir community leader, described the members of his Indigenous group — scattered in small villages across the vast region — as overwhelmingly supportive of the Kremlin. But after fielding panicked phone calls from mothers this week, he suggested that might change.

Support for Mr. Putin “was off the charts” in rural Yakutia, Mr. Shadrin said. “Now I think a sobering-up is starting to happen.”

**At one reindeer herding enterprise, he said, four of the 20 herders had already been drafted. Among the Yukaghirs, he said, he already knew of seven men who had been called up, and he expected the number to rise as hunters and herders return to their villages and receive summonses. The total population of the Yukaghirs numbers about 1,600, he said, including just 400 men between 18 and 45.**

Several community organizations published open letters requesting that the draft be suspended for the region’s ethnic minorities, asserting that even in World War II, the Soviet Union’s Arctic Indigenous peoples were not mobilized because there were so few of them.

**“Our villages are small and every man is worth his weight in gold,” Ivan Shamayev, the chairman of the Sakha Congress and the signatory of one letter, said in a phone interview. “The villages will just find it hard to survive without men, and that is why they need to figure this out.”**

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Perhaps most shocking to the region’s residents, several said in an interviews, was that the draft came just as households scrambled to prepare for winter. Like much of Siberia, Yakutia is being reshaped dramatically by climate change, with fast-rising temperatures thawing the permafrost and contributing to devastating floods.

Alarmed messages about the mobilization circulated on WhatsApp. One local activist forwarded several of the pleas for help she had received. One was from a woman in the Verkhoyansk District, a Siberian area where temperatures can drop to minus 90 degrees Fahrenheit. Her son had not finished fixing the floors of her home, she wrote, that had to be removed after a summer flood.

“He has two small kids, the wife is pregnant, I just had an operation,” the woman wrote. “I have no idea how we’ll make it through the winter.”

**The activist, who asked that her name be withheld for her security, said that Yakutians had been following the war on television and knew Mr. Putin’s argument that it was a war to protect their country. But until now, it had all been very abstract.**

**“On television they say that this is about defending the Fatherland,” she said. “But the threat is now not so much to the Fatherland but to our own lives.”**



elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2022-09-24
#20

@lowfour (post #18) en mi pueblo se llama limpieza étnica esto, eh?

pero yo es que creo que solo es clasismo, que se les está yendo de las manos (o sea, no hay un plan genocida como tal... aunque ya dudo de la imbecilidad, lo mismo sí que es hijoputez)

lowfour
lowfour
2022-09-24
#22

Espera cuando venga Misha el Oso de 3 metros con un hambre de la ostia.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/xmna7s/hotel_for_ruz_mob/

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2022-09-24
#23

@lowfour (post #22) quécojones! ahí el oso ni se acerca, que se lo comen!!

lo que no entiendo es cómo van a hacer con las goteras... para el finde dan lluvias y en un par de semanas, nieve

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2022-09-24
#24
Edited 2022-09-24

@lowfour (post #21)

hay un montón de tutoriales de restaurar movidas de estas

eso sí, casi todos necesitas maquinaria y herramientas y cositas algo especiales

lowfour
lowfour
2022-09-24
#25

@elarquitecto (post #24)

El otro lía vi que el 90% de estos youtubers restauradores son falsos, que básicamente envejecen cosas a posta y luego hacen la restauración. Jajaj, menudo sentido de la vida han encontrao esos.

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2022-09-24
#26

@lowfour (post #22)

a ver si eso es otra cosa...

el campamento del amor o algo así... que ahí veo muchas camas juntas, eh?


elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2022-09-24
#27

@lowfour (post #25)

sí, algunos huele un poco a eso

restauro motor de honda civic que encontré en mitad de un descampado...

a ver, son tailandeses o algo así, pero nomejodas, no te encuentras un coche y lo "restauras" y ya

y que canta mucho el envejecimiento que le dan

pero bueno, está entretenido y no dista mucho de la realidad

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2022-09-24
#29

https://twitter.com/prof_preobr/status/1573544003768918016

traducción del tuit

Simonyan instó a colaborar para las necesidades de los movilizados.

Estamos recolectando mensajes de texto para medicamentos para niños, ahora recolectaremos para botas y alimentos para los movilizados.

Y el estado no tiene dinero otra vez. Debido a que los impuestos recaudados de nosotros, el estado de Putin volvió a saquear.

apadrina a un movilizado!! botas o alimentos sirven!!

lowfour
lowfour
2022-09-24
#30

@elarquitecto (post #29)

Se ve que no tienen impresora o se les acabó el toner a los Rusos. Que pregunten a los Yankees, que seguro que de eso pilotan.

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