@elarquitecto (post #660) Putin ahora mismo no puede mover nada que esté en Ucrania a ningún sitio. Es más, con Rostov en mano de Prigozhin la logística se pone muy difícil, con los puentes de Crimea reventados se pone aún peor.
¿Mucha casualidad o causalidad? ¿Se unirán los chechenos a Prigozhin?
@elarquitecto (post #655)
Qué si lo estoy flipando???? Estoy buscando tiempo para leeros mamones!!! Jajajaja
720
va subiendo la cifra
mientras tanto, los tiktokeros se montan un video molón cuando ya los wagner habían parado y dado la vuelta
@elarquitecto (post #664)
Le queda a alguna duda a alguien de que los wagneritas con el colmillo retorció de Bakhmut los arrasaban a los follacabras?
NYT
The mercenary leader, Yevgeny V. Prigozhin, who led an armed uprising against the military’s leadership, agreed to head to Belarus. His location and that of President Vladimir V. Putin remain unknown.
>The deal with Yevgeny Prigozhin “is a short-term fix, not a long-term solution” for the Kremlin, according to the Institute for the Study of War, a U.S.-based analytical group. The Kremlin is facing instability because the rebellion “exposed the weakness of the Russian security forces,” the group wrote in its latest report.
Y como dije yo ayer
Al tanto o detrás?
American intelligence officials briefed senior military and administration officials on Wednesday that Yevgeny Prigozhin, the leader of the mercenary Wagner Group, was preparing to take military action against senior Russian defense officials, according to officials familiar with the matter.
U.S. spy agencies had indications days earlier that Mr. Prigozhin was planning something and worked to refine that material into a finished assessment, officials said.
The information shows that the United States was aware of impending events in Russia, similar to how intelligence agencies had warned in late 2021 that Vladimir V. Putin was planning to invade Ukraine.
But unlike with the initial invasion, when U.S. officials declassified the intelligence and then released it to try to deter Mr. Putin from invading, intelligence agencies kept silent about Mr. Prigozhin’s plans. U.S. officials felt that if they said anything, Mr. Putin could accuse them of orchestrating a coup. And they clearly had little interest in helping Mr. Putin avoid a major, embarrassing fracturing of his support.
In this case, the information that the long-running feud between Mr. Prigozhin, who got his start as “Putin’s chef” in St. Petersburg, and Russian defense officials was about to devolve into conflict was considered both solid and alarming. Mr. Prigozhin is known for his brutality, and had he succeeded in ousting the officials, he would likely have been an unpredictable leader. And the possibility that a major nuclear-armed rival of the United States could descend into internal chaos carried with it a new set of risks.
While it is not clear exactly when the United States first learned of the plot, intelligence officials conducted briefings on Wednesday with administration and defense officials. On Thursday, as additional confirmation of the plot came in, intelligence officials informed a narrow group of congressional leaders, according to officials familiar with the briefings who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly. By Friday night, Mr. Prigozhin had dramatically escalated his feud, launching a march on Moscow that the Russian government described as an attempted coup. On Saturday, he called his fighters off and agreed to flee to Belarus.
CNN earlier reported that the United States had briefed congressional leaders about their concerns that Mr. Prigozhin was preparing to challenge Russia’s military leadership.
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Sergei K. Shoigu in military uniform with a line of tanks behind him.
U.S. officials say Mr. Prigozhin hates Sergei K. Shoigu, the minister of defense, and the feeling is mutual. Credit...Russian Defense Ministry Press Service, via Associated Press
For years, Mr. Prigozhin hated Sergei K. Shoigu, the minister of defense, and Gen. Valery Gerasimov, the chief of the general staff of the Russian armed forces, and the feeling was mutual, U.S. officials said. But it took the war in Ukraine, officials said earlier this year, for the animosity to spill into the open, frequently expressed by Mr. Prigozhin in ill-tempered posts on Telegram, a social media platform.
In recent months, intelligence officials have tracked the growing animosity between Mr. Prigozhin and leaders of Russia’s defense ministry and spent considerable time analyzing it.
The intelligence agencies’ conclusion was that it was a clear sign of the internal tensions caused by the war in Ukraine, a product of Russia’s struggle to supply its troops adequately.
It was an indication, one official said, of how the war was going badly for both Wagner and the regular military.
Intelligence reports released as part of the Discord leaks also showed that the United States had intercepted communications between senior Russian military leaders debating how to handle Mr. Prigozhin’s constant demands for more ammunition.
In interviews before the current crisis, U.S. officials said it was not just Wagner forces that faced supply shortages, but the entire Russian military. Those problems have plagued the Russian military for months, but American officials said earlier this week that they had become more obvious as the Ukrainian counteroffensive began.
Mr. Putin also may have given Mr. Prigozhin the false belief he could move beyond public criticism to action against his military allies. During the fight for the city of Bakhmut, the U.S. government assessed that Mr. Putin very likely ordered regular Russian units to reinforce Wagner forces.
After the capture of Bakhmut, the Russian defense ministry moved to cut down the power of Wagner. Russia forced all volunteers for its forces to sign contracts with the Ministry of Defense. The move cut Wagner off from recruits and meant that for the mercenaries to return to the battlefield in Ukraine, Mr. Prigozhin would have to subordinate his forces to the Defense Ministry, said Tatiana Stanovaya, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
Placing Wagner forces under the control of Mr. Shoigu was “out of the question” for Mr. Prigozhin, Ms. Stanovaya said.
Many of Mr. Prigozhin’s tensions with the military had played out in public. He used interviews and Telegram posts to berate Mr. Shoigu and General Gerasimov, calling them incompetent and charging that they were misleading Mr. Putin about the progress of the war with Ukraine.
American officials conceded that there was an element of theater to Mr. Prigozhin’s public complaints but that it was nevertheless useful for Mr. Putin, who himself has privately criticized his military leadership for being too passive during the Ukraine war.
Still, American officials concluded that Mr. Prigozhin’s public statements were not controlled by Mr. Putin. His fight with the ministry of defense, officials said earlier this year, was real, not political theater, fueled by the huge casualties Russia had suffered in Bakhmut.
Mr. Prigozhin’s critique went beyond an argument over needed supplies. He charged that the military leadership was corrupt and incompetent. For their part, some military leaders were jealous of his influence with Mr. Putin, American officials said earlier this year.
But it was only in recent days that intelligence officials got the initial warnings that Mr. Prigozhin might take action.
Officials said that intelligence agencies had not known what the results of Mr. Prigozhin’s actions might be, but they were immediately worried about how it might affect the control of Russia’s nuclear weapons. President Biden, speaking in October, talked of the dangers that Mr. Putin would pose if he felt cornered and said the United States was looking for “off ramps” for Mr. Putin.
Since Mr. Prigozhin took action on Friday, American officials have been locked down, saying little publicly about his intentions or what they knew about events on the ground. Officials have been wary, both because events were moving fast and because they did not want to give Mr. Putin any excuse to blame the West for Mr. Prigozhin’s actions. But several officials said they fully expected that Mr. Putin would eventually say the uprising was the result of a foreign plot.
Mr. Prigozhin is under indictment in the United States for his role in trying to influence the 2016 presidential election in favor of Donald J. Trump.
>@lowfour (post #667) After the capture of Bakhmut, the Russian defense ministry moved to cut down the power of Wagner. Russia forced all volunteers for its forces to sign contracts with the Ministry of Defense. The move cut Wagner off from recruits and meant that for the mercenaries to return to the battlefield in Ukraine, Mr. Prigozhin would have to subordinate his forces to the Defense Ministry, said Tatiana Stanovaya, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
pues el plan A igual era, pillarse rostov, negociar una salida de ucrania o, al menos, de seguir siendo "indepes" y seguir cobrando millonadas sin tener que pasar por soigus y tal
pero vieron que no les hacían puto caso, y pasaron al plan B, tirar millas hacia moscú
rostov es una ciudad clave para el abastecimiento del frente ruso, tienen los cuarteles generales y tal, lo raro es que cayera tan rápido (bueno, si no lo esperaban, pues casi normal), apenas tiraron unos helicópteros y tal
pero tiene sentido que no les hicieran frente las tropas regulares y mandaran a los kadirovitas, porque si la inteligencia usana sabía de esto, los ruskis más, no??
o sea, sabían que todo era un farol
que el objetivo era pirarse de ucrania, que vale, es un poco traición y tal, pero son mercenarios, que les jodan
los de soigu no estaban para parar esto, ellos también quieren a los wagner fuera
en fin, luego harán peliculas sobre los de kadirov atascaos en la autopista y haciéndose selfis cuando ya nada importaba y se había acabado todo, comedia me refiero
Esto nos lo perdimos eh? De hace 21h
>That's the US's mobile / emergency command centre for the Secretary of Defence, which I just found out by googling so that you don't have to.
@lowfour (post #669)
esto sí, pero que estaban los polacos y los suecos en alerta máxima no
lo comentamos un poco y luego seguimos arrastrados por la corriente de "noticias" de los wagner y tal
pues ya están buscando sustituto
los solomillov andan criticando abiertamente al kremlin
qué es esto de que unos pavos metan tanques a 200km de moscú y nopasaná!!???
Se la han jurado al shrek
@lowfour (post #672) está shrek temblando
ya iremos sabiendo qué ha pasado realmente con luka y tal
no nos extrañemos que shrek aparezca polonizado tras lo de ayer, porque putin no es de los que tienen buen perder
@elarquitecto (post #673)
Es que si es cierto que Putin ha delegado el poder militar en gente cercana a shrek (está por ver) el que está amortizado ya y polonizable es Putin. Menudo follón. Shrek no se paro así por nada, aunque viera que no tuvo el tirón que se esperaba de otros sublevados. Todo es muy raro
@lowfour (post #674)
vale, quitas a putin y pones a... ??? solomillov?? a fin de cuentas, fue colega de zelensky en la tv, y si ha funcionado en ucrania...
no sé, yo entiendo que ayer las cosas salieron mal al shrek, si entendemos que el objetivo principal era doblegar a putin, en moscú
alguien hizo la llamadita y le paró, le ofreció una salida a bielorusia y no se pudo negar porque "la mafia" le puso claro que no habría agujero donde poder esconderse
esa "mafia" es la que mantiene a putin porque es quien matiene el equilibrio de poder
shrek lo alteraría de forma impredecible o insostenible
es posible que hasta la cia y tal hayan dado toque a shrek, en plan, oye, los arsenales nukes qué?? si te pasas a menos de 20km te himarizamos sin piedad
en fin, películas
hablando de pelis
es que enseguida piensas, dime de qué presumes....
imperio?
armas láser tecnológicas?
naves espaciales?
tíos en armadura de combate supermolona (stormtroopers)? (bueno, estos fallan más que una escopeta feria... no sé yo...)
tanques y at-at ??
bueno, eso en realidad es un at-st pero se entiende el tema de presumir de justo lo que careces
por cierto, me paso por tuiter y andan las ciberputis y cintas diciendo que el plan maestro es mandar a los wagner a bielorusia para estar a100km de kiev y... niputaidea, porque no desarrollan más la cosa
es que el lazismo es así, de jugada maestra en jugada maestra hasta el guano final (y el maletero rumbo a waterloo, con peluca)
@elarquitecto (post #677)
Si, están sembrando esa idea por todos lados.
Esta es otra idea que da mucho acojone, sobre todo viviendo en Suecia. Con Chernobyl se quedo media suecia radioactiva, tuvieron que tirar toda la comida y tal. No se podía tomar leche etc
Más trincheras (heavy)
@lowfour (post #680)
ufff, el puente ese no sé yo cómo va a quedar, eh??
si tuviera que cruzarlo con carga, mejor los pontones y todo
reportan ya tortas en jerson, lado inundado (ruski)
parece ser que rusia no controla ni medio bien esa zona y los ucranianos se han coscao
bueno, esto ya lo sugerimos cuando reventaron la presa, que al retirarse las aguas, las trincheras estarían inservibles y habría mambo
bueeeno, que hay video
un nosequé pegando tiros a todas partes porque no sabe ni por dónde le vienen las tortas
hay todavía mucha agua, pero fijo que la zona esa de cabeza de playa está seca y tiene posibilidades de progresar (o como se diga en militar)
pues mañana igual nos encontramos que ha habido ataque anfibio, eh?? y los ruskis corriendo hacia crimea, que total, no les pagan para aguantar obuses y tal
@elarquitecto (post #684)
Es el lugar mejor para atacar desde luego, tras la asomada de este finde y el vuelo del almacén esta semana, esas unidades además de mermadas, sin trincheras por la crecida tienen que estar sin suministros. Ahora mismo es uno de los mejores lugares para atacar, a ver si las aguas lo permiten.
bajmut sur en manos (o a punto) de los ucranianos
hilo del gatete de jerson sobre la cabeza de playa
sale el video ese que pusimos anoche
dice que hay pantanos por tos laos, pero una vez que llegas a olesky, está todo más seco y firme
la movida es que es pantano para ambas partes, los que atacan y los que defienden
a poco que los que defienden no puedan contener el corredor puente-olesky, están jodidos
su ventaja es que es un paso "termópilas" y da igual si son 3 o 14 o 2000
ahora, fijo que están progresando por los pantanos y tal para ir flanqueando
entiendo que nos quieran calmar un poco a los que nos flipamos con "asalto anfibio" y tal... pero me imagino que eso de que hay otro puente tras el puentarro ya lo saben los ucros
yo es que creo que la artillería ucra puede proveer de cierta cobertura a una cabeza de puente
es más, en el video de anoche ya se vio que hubo respuesta desde el lado derecho del dnpr, mientras la tanqueta salía por patas con los heridos
supongo que iremos viendo más cosas similares estos días
950 muertos. Ya estamo en máximos, Ucrania ha pisado el turbo y TODAVIA no han empezado la contraofensiva gorda para nada, según dicen varias fuentes incluyendo el ministro del interior o de defensa creo que es.
Hay un vídeo de Perun excelente (ahora lo pongo) que dice lo mismo. Que todavía es muy pronto para decir si va bien o mal la cosa, pero que Ucrania está haciendo exactamente lo que hizo en la anterior contraofensiva, reventando polvorines, destrozando las comunicaciones y supply chain, encontrando los puntos débiles y que debería verse los efectos tarde o temprano.
Aqui el video
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