El desmembramiento de Rusia a manos de Warlords

lowfour
lowfour
Started 2023-01-11
634 posts
lowfour
lowfour
2023-05-05
#31

Traducción del cerdo psicópata.



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“From May 10, 2023, the Wagner Group leaves the village of Bakhmut.


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I ask the Chief of the General Staff to sign a combat order addressed to the Wagner Group to transfer the positions of the settlement Bakhmut to units of the Ministry of Defense and indicate the date - from what day they will replace us in positions.


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Of course, I anticipate criticism. After some time, there will be smart people who will say that it was necessary to stay in Bakhmut and further. Whoever has critical remarks - come to Bakhmut, welcome, stand up with weapons in your hands instead of our killed comrades.  We will lick our wounds, and when the Motherland is in danger, we will again stand up for its defense. The Russian people can count on us. And I think it will happen right now, ” said Yevgeny Prigozhin

lowfour
lowfour
2023-05-05
#32

Empieza la guerra civil rusa a la de 3, 2, 1

Este cabrón se quiere cepillar a Putin y tiene un ejército para hacerlo. Putin quería usarle para la guerra, acabar con su ejército y luego eliminar al cerdo tarado. Pero el tarado es más listo de lo que pensábamos y se lleva las tropas a Rusia, donde las va a necesitar para lo que viene.

Menuda movi.

lowfour
lowfour
2023-05-05
#33

Rusia no va a movilzar una mierda. Putin está acabadísimo. Por eso están enloquecidos donde el solomillov y tal. Pero no van a poder hacer una movilización con el cerdo insultando a Shoigu y Gerasimov.

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2023-05-05
#34

@lowfour (post #33)

lo de la guerra civil lo venimos diciendo y no termina de prender, pero es que está la cosa calentita

lo que pasa es que los militares deben de tener una empanada mental cojonuda, entre los "leales", los "corruptos", los que pasan de todo porque están ahí por la sopa boba, los trepas, los enchufaos, etc, eso debe de ser para verlo

así que el calvo con tirantes les tiene por subnormales (y posiblemente tenga razón en el 90% de los oficiales superiores)

lo que no me explico es lo que comentabas al principio, que prefieren darse la vidorra en la rivera francesa o en londres y no darse de tortas y estar todo el día con el juego de tronos balconing edition... así que por qué no vemos más llamadas a la salida de ucrania y fin del conflicto y vuelta a los "negocios"??

(bueno, la respuesta es porque están todo enloquecidos por los duguin y solomillov y demás "teóricos" de la religión del nacionalismo fascistoide siglo xx vibes)

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2023-05-05
#35

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qué os parece??

sale el calvo con tirantes a cagarse en las muelas del gobierno ruso (le ha faltado poco para retarles a un duelo al amanecer)

en rusia como que no se dan por enteraos (aunque han sacado comunicado diciendo que eso ya lo sabían y que todo ok)

ahora que si el ex-vicecosa de defensa, no de agricultura o de sanidad o de tontás, no, d-e-f-e-n-s-a, el que daba el ok a los presupuestos para tanques y tal... pues ahora es un wagner

y no sé qué hacen en bajmut, puesto que se piraban... o eso han dicho

a ver si esto está siendo el preludio a la siesta... perdón, que me distraigo, el preludio a un golpecito de estado o algo así... pero de buen rollo, ahora un viceministro, mañana un ex-general, pasado un ex-coronel... y cuando te quieres dar cuenta, ya no queda nadie con putin, solo mesas de 9m y dobles de cuerpo para eventos y tal...

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2023-05-05
#36

mira, esto es lo que está pasando en bajmut

https://twitter.com/WypartowiczBa/status/1654188158710325252

bueno, es nosequé conferencia del mar negro, pero básicamente es lo mismo, viene un ruski, les roba la bandera de ucrania (por joder y ya, los de la bandera solo estaban haciéndose un selfi) y se lleva unas cuantas galletas... poco le ha pasado, porque los seguratas han tenido que intervenir y el tipo que repartía galletas es obvio que no tiene mucha experiencia repartiéndolas...

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2023-05-09
#38

@lowfour (post #37) dices que esperan ataques de sus disidentes?

pero si rusia es un país super cohesionado y tal, no como "occidente", mira cinta, siempre viene a decirnos lo mal que está "occidente"

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2023-05-09
#39

por cierto, veremos algún tanque en el desfile?

digo tanque moderno, porque me da que el desfile va a ser más "retro" que nunca, van a desfilar con material de la fecha que conmemoran

lowfour
lowfour
2023-05-09
#40
Edited 2023-05-09

@elarquitecto (post #38)

Cinta lo que viene aqui es a bajar este hilo para abajo.

https://archive.ph/iKMZB



Putin is unprepared for the blowback his assault on Ukraine will bring Russia


Whether acts of terrorism and sabotage, political chaos and social unrest – Russia is already paying a huge price that will only increase, writes Borzou Daragahi



The small drones managed to bypass security surrounding the Kremlin, Russia’s most sacred political and religious site, before they were blasted out of the sky early during the early morning hours of 3 May.

The Kremlin angrily described the drones as a Ukrainian and Western-backed assassination attempt against President Vladimir Putin himself. It almost definitely was not. What it was yet another sign that the fallout from Putin’s disastrous war of imperial conquest was moving closer and closer to the heart of Russian power.

No one should take anything the Russian government says at face value because, well, it’s Russia. The drones did not appear particularly large or sophisticated. Putin, who has over the years slowly turned into a Bond villain caricature of himself, was probably at one of his compounds, bunkers or palaces and nowhere near the fortress-like presidential residence that is the formal seat of Russian power and a major tourist draw.

On the other hand, **many astute Russia watchers say the drones were unlikely to have been a false flag operation staged by Putin’s cronies. Such a serious breach of one of the most heavily guarded and famous government compounds in the world is humiliating.**

“It casts such a bad shadow over the Kremlin,” Elsa Vidal, Russia editor-in-chief of Radio France International said Friday night on a France 24 segment in which I participated. “**It shows that Russia’s power is not able to protect the most sacred land in the country.**

Regardless of who was behind the purported attack, the chaos in the very centre of the Kremlin punctures the fantasy that Russia’s leadership elite can live their lives in smart quarters of Moscow and Saint Petersburg without feeling the damaging effects of the war.

Wednesday’s provocation prompted a furious reaction from the Kremlin, and a potential uptick in attacks on civilian targets in Ukraine. But it was only one of the most high profile of a series of ruptures and rumblings showing the war’s escalating impact on Russia.

**Vidal suggested that the drone operation was a stunt by Russian dissidents and pro-Ukrainian activists inside the country, meant to show how easily they could penetrate the supposedly well-guarded realm of Putin and his cronies and “make them look ridiculous” less than a week before the pomp and parades of 9 May** Victory Day marking the end of the Second World War.

Just before the drones episode, consecutive explosions on consecutive days derailed two freight trains in western Russia, likely acts of sabotage carried out by dissident networks or Ukrainian operatives. And on 29 April, Ukrainian forces struck an oil-depot in the Russian-occupied Crimea port city of Sevastopol, sending a cloud of black smoke into the sky above the home of Russia’s Black Sea fleet. Then on Saturday, prominent Russian ultra-nationalist Zakhar Prilepin was injured, and another person killed in an explosion targeting his car in the Novgorod region east of Moscow.

They were among a long series of escalating attacks on Russia and Russian-controlled Ukrainian land heralding an impending spring offensive. **They send a message that the theatre of the coming battles will not be limited to Ukraine’s geography, or even the Russian border region used as a staging ground for the war.**

**Within Putin’s inner circle, there are also disturbing signs of entropy.** The Kremlin has been a scene of insider factional squabbling for centuries. **But the latest palace intrigues resemble the power plays between rival generals in Khartoum more than the crafty political gamesmanship of Soviet or Tsarist Moscow.**

In a video posted to social media channels that bypassed Russia’s tightly censored broadcast outlets, Yevgeny Prigozhin, leader of Russia’s Wagner mercenary force, stood last week amid the bloodied, mangled bodies of his own fighters in the Ukrainian city of Bakhmut. There, in words that shocked even long-time Russia experts, he profanely harangued by name other top military officials he accused of betraying the young Russian men fighting Putin’s war by withholding munitions and other military support.

Next came word that Russian forces would retreat from Bakhmut, which they have been fighting to hold onto for months – but not before lighting the city up with banned incendiary weapons in a vengeful act of cruelty and criminality.

**It all points to chaos, desperation and well-warranted fear at the very top of Russia’s leadership as Ukraine readies an offensive that insiders and experts have hinted will include numerous surprises.**

“Russia's already demoralised troops serving under a rigid, hierarchical chain of command weakened by power struggles, infighting, and leadership changes will be facing a highly motivated, adaptive, decentralised Ukrainian force,” says Jessica Berlin, a Ukraine war analyst.

Russia is already paying a huge price that will only increase. Whether acts of terrorism and sabotage, political chaos and social unrest, wars of choice always spark blowback and resistance – even since the time of the Roman Empire.

Militarisation of society and the grim aesthetic of fear – barbed wire, sandbags, long security lines and blast walls – are the real legacy of the West’s wars of choice.

In the US, traumatised veterans shoot themselves or their loved ones dead. Community policing and beat cops have been supplanted by law enforcement in MRaps swarming into homes in Louisville using the same counterinsurgency tactics as soldiers as in Fallujah.

Scholars specialising in Russia have argued that one of the reasons why Putin invaded Ukraine was to emulate the supposed “great power” posturing of the US in its invasion of Iraq. But Putin should have read the fine print. Such wars ultimately weaken great powers.

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2023-05-09
#41

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ejque no llegaron las municiones a tiempo...

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eso sí, están destruyendo material y esquipo a mayor ritmo desde hace un mes

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2023-05-09
#42

por cierto, el putin está en tribuna, en persona, no en plasma

bueno, será su doble, claro

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2023-05-09
#43
Edited 2023-05-09

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ese es el clon 3

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buenrollito, eh??

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lowfour
lowfour
2023-05-09
#45

@elarquitecto (post #44)

OSTIA PUTA hahahahahahahahaha... Que JRANDES. Lo próximo:

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Jag
Jag
2023-05-09
#47

@lowfour (post #46)

OJO, que esto que parece una parida puede indicar algo más grande a la larga. Estamos viendo aunque sea parcialmente los movimientos internos de gente en Rusia contra el stablishment. Y si estos son los de los cigarros y nos lo estamos perdiendo desde el inicio del partido?

lowfour
lowfour
2023-05-09
#48

@Jag (post #47)

Seguramente sean internos y gente "sponsorizada" por la CIA.

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2023-05-09
#49

@lowfour (post #48) y por oligarcas hasta las cejas de que les hayan quitado sus yates y no les dejen ir a sus casas de la toscana o donde sea

yo creo que solo han puesto a ese tanque a desfilar porque el putin ha dicho, nada de máquinas que puedan disparar a tribuna, o algo así

la verdad es que queda ridículo a más no poder, no sabes qué es peor, si uno solo o ninguno

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2023-05-09
#50
Edited 2023-05-09

@lowfour (post #45) ostia, pues...

aquí la cuenta ciberputi nos hace el recuento de "blindados"

https://twitter.com/lorena3afrodita/status/1655862721865236481

un tanque t.34 y otras antiguallas... y algunos iskander (lanzadores, porque misiles... de esos tampoco tienen)

en fin, glorioso

estamos asistiendo a la desmilitarización de rusia por la vía rápida

por cierto, ciberputi de caracas... cinta, eres tú???

vaya día, eh?? luego te pasas a floodear un poco tontás

Cinta_de_Carromero
Cinta_de_Carromero
2023-05-09
#52
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@elarquitecto (post #50) por cierto, ciberputi de caracas... cinta, eres tú???

> vaya día, eh?? luego te pasas a floodear un poco tontás



Yo ni soy ciberputi, ni cibernada, ni prorruso, ni he estado nunca en América, son todo paranoias vuestras. No lo estoy mencionando continuamente porque con los locos es una pérdida de tiempo enfrentarse directamente a sus locuras, pero lo recuerdo algunas veces para intentar que esa falsa realidad paralela no parezca la realidad real.

lowfour
lowfour
2023-05-09
#53
Edited 2023-05-09

Págate algo Lukashenkooooo

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/13cntnp/belarussian_dictator_alexander_lukashenko_became/

Que se tome dos de estas y como nuevo.

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elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2023-05-10
#54
Edited 2023-05-10

el amigo phil nos recomienda este hilo

https://twitter.com/YudinGreg/status/1656074583559262208

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agarraos, porque el tipo no habla de "fintas" sino de lo que se palpa en el ambiente "mediático"-civil

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y esto es un poco el tema de este hilo, porque yo también me lo pregunto (y hemos visto lo mismo al respecto, lucha de rusia vs nato y tal, en plan "supervivencia", cuando lo cierto es que el agresor es rusia y la guerra acaba con rusia retirando tropas de ucrania y ya, nada de invadir rusia):

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y bueno, los solomillov van añadiendo sus granitos de terror y paranoia ante la derrota:

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y bueno, plantea que es hora de que se planteen las alternativas (y los costes) después de la derrota de putin (no de rusia, que ya ha perdido) y su patada en el culo del kremlin y tal...

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yo creo que el greg no piensa en un desmembramiento de la federación rusa, pero igual es el elefante ese del habitación del que nadie habla...



lowfour
lowfour
2023-05-10
#55

@elarquitecto (post #54)

No, el problema es que los chorizos constructores y comisionistas de la Z asocian la derrota a "peligro mortal" para Rusia porque quieren justificar una escalada. Putin SIEMPRE escala, porque siempre le ha salido bien. Si lanza una bomba táctica lo justificará en el riesgo mortal para Rusia. Pero claro, si eso sucede USA ya ha sugerido que entran en combate directo y arrasan al ejército ruso. O lo que quede.

Veo la situación francamente peligrosa y a los chinos como grandes ganadores.

La gente de la calle, efectivamente, es consciente de que la Operación Mierdosa Especial va de culo, que les están dando hasta en el carné de indentidad. En 1420 hora dicen "si, combatiría para defender la madre patria, pero esta guerra no trata de defender la madre patria sino de una invasión". Eso no decían ni los jóvenes antes.

Putin está acabado y amortizado. Nunca más podrá salir de Rusia si no es a Irán u otro país Vladimir de Mierda. Y encima los Ukros han montado su Mossad y están volando a propagandistas y gentuza Lazi. Y no van a parar y me alegro. Espero que se los carguen a todos por hijosdeputa, o que los secuestren y los lleven a la Haya.

Es un desastre sin paliativos que solo puede acabar en un protectorado ruso de China o de USA/EU

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2023-05-10
#56
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@lowfour (post #55) Veo la situación francamente peligrosa y a los chinos como grandes ganadores.



bueno, lo de los chinos está por ver, pero sí que parece que van a rascar más de lo que parece, aunque lo mismo sirve para "condonar" lo de que no hacen lo mismo con taiwan, ojocuidao con esto



lowfour
lowfour
2023-05-10
#57

@elarquitecto (post #56)

Es que he leído que ya hay zonas de Rusia con bastante energía que tienen comunidades chinas muy fuertes. No se exactamente como se llaman, pero vamos que de ahí a montarles una anexión "pacífica" va un paso.

lowfour
lowfour
2023-05-10
#58

Ah, en el far east... en Vladivostok.

https://asiatimes.com/2019/06/the-chinese-influx-into-asian-russia/



The Chinese influx into Asian Russia


China’s rising economic clout in Siberia and the Russian Far East is fueling ancient local dreads

On the global geopolitical stage, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping are best buddies, united by shared interests and personal bonhomie.

But in Russia’s east, there is suspicion toward a capital that is far closer than distant Moscow.

Resentment toward Chinese tourists – who appear in huge numbers, often lack social graces and tend to patronize Chinese, rather than local businesses – is not unique to Russia. Nor is fear of China’s ever-growing economic clout.

However, in the vast, underpopulated reaches of Siberia and the Russian Far East, these factors are exacerbated by an age-old fear: That of being demographically and economically swamped by the giant next door.

The Baikal bottling battle

In Siberia, a China-funded water bottling project has sparked a major local backlash. The plant is sited in the village of Kultuk, on the southern shore of Baikal, the world’s deepest lake. Baikal holds one-fifth of earth’s fresh water and boasts UNESCO World Heritage status.

Construction on the 1.5 billion-ruble (US$22.7 million) factory started in January. A contract to supply 190 million liters of water per year to the thirsty Chinese market from 2012 has already been signed with the project’s Chinese investor.

But last month, a petition demanding the removal of the plant collected almost one million signatures. Baikal water “will be shipped to China,” the petition says, while the facility blocks local access to the lake. As a result, a Russian court has ordered building work to be stopped until complaints can be investigated.

Prominent Siberian environmentalist Alexander Kolotov agreed there are some issues with the plant’s location, but said the “anti-China factor is very clear” in the protest. It reflects “fears and prejudices of modern Russians that ‘China will gulp down our national heritage,’” he said.

“For Siberians, there are two things that are like a red rag to a bull,” Svetlana Pavlova, chief editor of the Irkutsk, a Siberia-based IRK.ru news website, said. “One is the Chinese who ‘have taken over everything and leave trash everywhere,’ and the second is their presence on the lake. Here, we have a company building a plant that is 99%-owned by Chinese nationals!”

A construction boom in illegal Chinese hotels infuriates Russians, who cannot get permission to build on the protected shore, while locals earn no money from Chinese tourists, who are serviced by Chinese firms. Concerns also hang over pollution of the lake.

But for local authorities, the flood of visitors is an opportunity for economic development in their remote region.

A dual-edged sword

More than 1.6 million tourists, mostly Russians, visited the region last year, according to the Irkutsk Tourism Agency. Among them were 186,200 Chinese, the largest foreign group. The number of Chinese jumped 37% over the previous year, and is expected to climb further. Beijing is only a two-hour flight away, versus six hours to Moscow.

Many Chinese tourists and honeymooners strolling around Irkutsk or Olkhon, an iconic island on Lake Baikal, are apparently inspired by hit Chinese pop-song On the Shore of Lake Baikal by Harbin-born pop star Li Jian – a song of love, break-up and reunion.

This is a change. In Irkutsk, for years, the only Chinese were poor vendors selling cheap goods in the city’s so-called “Shanghai Market.” No longer. A recent Chinese influx has completely transformed Karl Marx Street – Irkutsk’s once-derelict main shopping thoroughfare. Now, the avenue is dotted with upmarket shops and restaurants catering exclusively to Chinese.

Yet land prices are rising, forcing Russian businesses out of the market and there is litter and rubbish on the streets, while the disposable hand warmers that Chinese use are strewn around the lake shore in the winter.

Locals are also annoyed to see Chinese climbing the highest peak on Olkhon Island – which is considered virtually sacred – and littering its summit.

But something alarms Russians even more.

The great conspiracy

Locals grumble that the Chinese call Lake Baikal “The Northern Sea” – its ancient Chinese name – and were outraged when a group of Chinese tourists appeared on Baikal wearing T-shirts with Chinese characters reading “The lake is ours.”

Some are convinced that Beijing is secretly plotting to retake the lake and the vast, sparsely populated area around it that was ceded to Russia in an 1858 treaty that China has long considered unfair.

“Chinese have long regarded Baikal a part of their culture and history,” said Alexei Glushakov, a Moscow-based observer for Kitayskiye Novosti weekly who frequently visits the Baikal area. “And for some, a part of their territory.”

Aleksandr Liventhal, the governor of Russia’s Jewish Autonomous Oblast – established in 1928 – says that 80% of land in the region, which borders China’s Heilongjiang Province, is now “controlled by Chinese.”

Moreover, Liventhal says, Chinese owners have sown 85% of the land they control with soy – a plant that “destroys the soil.”

A Chinese presence is unmissable in Blagoveshchensk, a Russian city some 5,600 kilometers east of Moscow, but just across the Amur River from China. There, students learn Chinese, buy Chinese-manufactured clothes and electronics and eat in Chinese restaurants. Most new buildings have been built by Chinese companies.

East of Siberia, there is also a growing Chinese community in the Russian Far East. Vladivostok and Khabarovsk host vibrant Chinese communities that date back to 19th century Chinatowns. Russians there, as elsewhere, are suspicious about the intentions of Chinese, who use their own name for Vladivostok – Haishenwa.

Dueling demographics

A demographic contrast is strikingly apparent. Asian Russia, which lies east of the Urals, makes up almost 80% of Moscow’s national territory, but hosts only 25% of its population – a population that is barely equivalent to two large Chinese cities.

Moreover, according to UN data, Russia’s population as a whole could fall by a third over the next 40 years. The prospects for Siberia and the Russian Far East are even worse. Many residents are moving from the climatically harsh regions, with their under-built infrastructure, to wealthier European Russia.

Between 1998 and 2005, Russia’s population east of Lake Baikal dropped from 8 million to 6 million between 1998 and 2005, and has continued falling since. Meanwhile, next door, the three provinces of north-eastern China – Heilongjiang, Jilin and Liaoning – hold 110 million people.

And Russia’s eastern provinces offer exactly what China needs: fuel, raw materials and arable land. The area contains nearly all of Russia’s diamonds, 70% of its gold, huge deposits of oil and natural gas and vast expanses of unpopulated land.

These factors explain why Russians have been talking sotto voce for decades of a Chinese take-over.

If current trends continue, Chinese will be the second largest ethnicity in Russia by mid-century, said Zhanna Zayonchkovskaya, senior scholar at the Russian Academy of Sciences Institute for Economic Forecasts.

Yet all is not suspicion and hostility – there is growing Sinophilia, too.

In the Russian Far East, Chinese is now more popular than English at universities, Chinese restaurants are immensely popular and many Russians travel to China’s Hainan Island on vacations and are even purchasing holiday homes there.

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2023-05-10
#59

@lowfour (post #58)

jodo los chinos, no son tontos, eh?

pues igual lo de taiwan es una finta y acaban "conformándose" con siberia...

Cinta_de_Carromero
Cinta_de_Carromero
2023-05-10
#60

Los chinos son unos chamarileros cobardes, son como los goblins manejando tecnología que no comprenden. Son un peligro para Taiwan pero no van a ser una amenaza real porque una Opelación Milital Especial terminaría igual o peor que la intentona de la horda en Ucrania.

El esfuerzo en seguridad de Winnie the Pooh es para reprimir a sus propios habitantes y no para el ejército, así que con su copia china del ejército ruso no van a ir a ningún lado.

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