Algo pasa con la ofensiva rusa. Está atascada

@lowfour (post #29) jajaja, porque se ha puesto el chaleco debajo del abrigo, la danesa no, porque le hacía "gorda"

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-tests-new-intercontinental-ballistic-missile-2022-04-20/

eso es lo de las wunderwaffen?

pero si no sacan los armata porque se los petan y no están como para ir derrochando pasta (reclutas, sí, que hay muchos y tal, pero tanques...)

@elarquitecto (post #32)

Efectivamente... lo que decías... tienen los misiles más resecos que la mojama.

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He said more tests would be needed before Russia could actually deploy it in place of ageing SS-18 and SS-19 missiles that were "well past their sell-by date".

Pero para este quedan años para que lo tengan en serie. Vamos un prototipo. El otro día puso uno un artículo con todo el vaporware ruso, misiles fake, aviones que solo podían volar 10 veces y se petaban los motores. Vamos, industria Vladimir De Mierda TM

La nueva lista de la compra de los Ucranianos. Muchas piezas de recambio para reparar los aviones rusos que tienen. A putin no se lo van a pedir digo yo.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/u8hex5/list_of_equipments_ukraine_has_requested_from/

Desnazificando a sus hermanos del alma a los que tanto quieren.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/u8j71j/yesterday_a_ukrainian_tochkau_missile_was_shot/

https://twitter.com/akihheikkinen/status/1517044327742156802

putin apenas puede controlar las convulsiones del parkinson, eh?

está el hombre bastante hinchado de la medicación, no sé si aguanta hasta el final de la "operación especial" (y no digo que le tiren, digo que la palma porque le falle el hígado o algo así)

@elarquitecto (post #36)

Dicen que es en la voz donde primero se nota lo del Parkinson. Lo de mover la pierna lleva ya bastante tiempo haciéndolo. Es verdad que la voz la tiene como más suave. Es posible.

Lo de estar hinchado me da a mi que es más por comer Foie D'Oie que de otra cosa, menudo vividor está hecho tito Vladimir. GAMBONES Y MISILES HIPERSÓNICOS! Yeaaaah

@lowfour (post #37) que no, que ese va de prednisona hasta las trancas porque lleva quimio

ves que lleva como una muñequera o algo en la mano derecha? pues yo diría que es para tapar los moratones que producen las vías para el gotero de la quimio

lo digo por proximidad con enfermos de ese tipo, pero puede ser cualquier cosa, solo digo que yo he visto eso de cerca y me lo recuerda mucho

@elarquitecto (post #38)

Pues eres muy observador, es muy posible. Pero entonces no es parkison?

https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1517043310069702661

como les va tan de puta madre en ucrania, ahora quieren llegar hasta algeciras, y todo lo que huela a otan

@lowfour (post #39)

no es incompatible

tendrá parkinson y un cáncer de alguna clase, igual de estómago o algo así, quien sabe

yo solo digo que me lo recuerda, no es que sea una certeza, pero la cara hinchada... si no es por la medicación del párkinson, son corticoesteroides para un tratamiento con quimio (bueno, ojo!, la prednisona se usa para autoinmunes también, tipo lupus o incluso artritis, lo mismo es solo artritis...)

https://twitter.com/lapatina_/status/1517045432467263488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1517045432467263488%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

Sin palabras. Queda todo dicho.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/u8k180/russian_plane_shot_down_near_izyum_2_parachutes/

@lowfour (post #44) pero ahí no hemos votado los anti-putiners (porque estas cosas, al final, son para hacer listados y tal)

de todos modos, 66% putiners es plausible, porque vaya antro en que se ha convertido el foro

@elarquitecto (post #46)

A ver, una cosa es que sea un antro y con opiniones extremas... otra cosa es que empiece a dar miedo. Es decir. Quién controla las cuentas? Qué hacen con la información? Está claro que están robando cuentas antiguas de usuarios y empiezan a usarlas en la maquinaria de propaganda. Es que cualquier día intentas entrar ahí y te han robado la cuenta y están posteando locuras en tu nombre.

https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/1517110031786852352

Lo de Mariupol es de traca eh?

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1517107122529607681

ya es casualidad que cuando sale esta propaganda rastrera el hilo se nos inunde de "erios" haciendo el trol, eh?

yo llevo cagando blando toda la mañana con el satancete ese, y llorando por los "nancis" atrapados por los valientes soldados rusos

antes iban a matarlos a tiros, ahora los matarán de hambre, glorioso todo

@elarquitecto (post #50)

Es lazismo de TV3 versión demente total.

Que majos. Como se preocupan de los suyos.

https://www.elmundo.es/internacional/2022/04/20/62604e79e4d4d8ce4c8b4578.html

@lowfour (post #52) esto, en la antigüedad era una cosa muy seria, dejar cadáveres de los tuyos en suelo enemigo... solo si te masacran, literalmente

With sunken warship, Russian disinformation faces a test.

_April 21, 2022, 5:50 a.m. ET4 hours ago

4 hours ago

Neil MacFarquhar and Alina Lobzina_

Days after the Russian missile cruiser Moskva was confirmed to have sunk, some relatives of its crew members have not been given information on their relatives’ whereabouts.

Days after the Russian missile cruiser Moskva was confirmed to have sunk, some relatives of its crew members have not been given information on their relatives’ whereabouts.Credit...Reuters

Russia’s biggest military loss so far in the Ukraine war is also becoming something of a liability for the Kremlin’s propaganda machine.

After Russia’s flagship in the Black Sea, the Moskva, sank last week, the authorities said that the entire crew of more than 500 had been rescued. But there has been no official update since, and families of missing crew members are demanding answers about their fate in increasing numbers.

“They don’t want to talk to us,” Maksim Savin, 32, said in an interview about the quest to find the whereabouts of his youngest brother Leonid, 20, a conscript. “We are grieving; they drafted our little brother and most likely will never give him back.”

At least 10 families have publicly voiced their frustration about getting conflicting reports about whether their sons are alive, missing or dead. Their demands, made on social media or to news organizations, could hurt public support for the war effort ordered by President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.

The official silence on the fate of the Moskva’s crew is part of a larger campaign by the Kremlin to suppress bad news about the invasion and control the narrative that Russians receive on its progress. Mr. Putin has blocked access to Facebook and many foreign news outlets, and enacted a law to imprison anyone spreading “false information” about the war.

The cause of the sinking was disputed, with Russia claiming that an ammunition magazine exploded and then the damaged ship sank while under tow in rough seas. Ukraine said it hit the vessel with two Neptune missiles, an assertion that U.S. officials corroborated. Whatever the case, the loss of one of the biggest warships since World War II has been an embarrassment for Russia.

Independent Russian news outlets based outside the country have reported that about 40 men died and another 100 were injured when the warship was damaged and sank. Those reports quoted an unidentified official and the mother of one sailor who died. In addition, the wife of an older midshipman confirmed his death to Radio Liberty, a U.S. government network based outside Russia.

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A satellite image released by Maxar Technologies showed the warship Moskva docked at a port in Sevastopol, Crimea, earlier this month.

A satellite image released by Maxar Technologies showed the warship Moskva docked at a port in Sevastopol, Crimea, earlier this month.Credit...Maxar Technologies, via Associated Press

Many of the missing crew members were conscripts, a sensitive subject in Russia since the war in Chechnya, when young soldiers with little training were often thrown into battles and died in droves, souring public support for the war. “A few hundred” soldiers are still not accounted for from the first Chechen war in the mid-1990s, said Alexander Cherkasov, the former chairman of the Memorial Human Rights Center, a group based in Moscow that was disbanded this month because of a court order.

“No one cares about the soldiers,” he said, and the restrictions put on nongovernmental organizations means it is now virtually impossible for them to do the tracing work, he said.

Mr. Putin said repeatedly that conscripts who had to serve a year in the military would not be deployed in Ukraine, a statement contradicted by battlefield casualties.

The Union of Committees of Soldiers’ Mothers of Russia, which dates back to the Chechen wars, confirmed that it is receiving requests to search for missing soldiers. The organization declined to comment further, citing a law against sharing information about soldiers with foreign organizations.

Parents of crewmen on the Moskva, named after Russia’s capital, have expressed outrage at what they described as an official runaround.

“We, the parents, are interested only in the fate of our children: Why did they —being conscripted soldiers — end up in this military operation?” said Dmitry Shkrebets, whose son Yegor, 19, worked as a cook on the Moskva.

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Russia’s President Vladimir V. Putin, left, leaving the Moskva at the Black Sea port of Sochi, in 2014.

Russia’s President Vladimir V. Putin, left, leaving the Moskva at the Black Sea port of Sochi, in 2014.Credit...Alexei Druzhinin/Sputnik, via Reuters

In an interview, Mr. Shkrebets was reluctant to talk further, but on Sunday he posted far harsher statements on VKontakte, the Russian equivalent of Facebook.

Initially, officers told him that Yegor was among the missing, he said.

“Guys, went missing on the high seas?!!!” he wrote. “I asked directly why you, the officers, are alive, and my son, a conscript soldier, died?”

Mr. Shkrebets has since started collecting testimony from other families who cannot locate their sons. “The more we write, the harder it will be for them to remain silent about what is happening,” he wrote on Wednesday.

Dmitri S. Peskov, the Kremlin’s spokesman, said on Tuesday he that he was not authorized to release any information about missing sailors, and referred questions to the Defense Ministry.

The ministry did not respond to requests for comment. It released a video on Saturday that purported to show Adm. Nikolai Yevmenov, the commander of the Russian Navy, meeting with men described as the crew of the Moskva lined up in formation and wearing uniforms. It was not clear how many survivors of the attack were there and nothing was stated about any casualties either in the video or in accompanying social media posts.

One indication of the official position came on Sunday night, during Vesti Nedeli, the weekly news summary on state television. The three-hour show dedicated about 30 seconds to the sinking, without mentioning casualties.

Not all Kremlin mouthpieces have been quite so reticent, however. One talk-show host, Vladimir Solovyev, demanded an explanation on Saturday on how the ship was lost.

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Leonid Savin, third right, in a family photo provided by his brother.

Leonid Savin, third right, in a family photo provided by his brother.Credit...

Maksim Savin said that the family could not reach any officers from his brother’s unit by phone. His mother texted one number and got a response that her son Leonid was missing.

Later the family received a series of calls from a man who seemed to have served with Leonid and who kept changing his story. First, the man said that Leonid had died while dashing to save a friend, Maksim Savin said. On the second call, he said that there had been no rescue involved, but that Leonid had been caught at the site of an explosion. The third time, he called to say that he had been mistaken, and that Leonid was missing.

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Saving civilian lives in Marioupol. Russia and Ukraine reached a tentative deal to evacuate some women and children from the city, though similar agreements have fallen through in the past. Ukrainian forces holed up at a large steel factory waging what appears to be the last defense of the city refused to surrender.

Sending military aid to Ukraine. Ukraine’s allies are scrambling to deliver more advanced weapons for the battle in the east, where its defense is expected to rely on weapons such as long-range missiles, howitzers and armed drones. President Biden said that the United States would send more artillery.

“It looks like the officers are trying to make everyone shut their mouths,” Maksim Savin said.

Numerous reports of missing conscripts first emerged on social media. One woman wrote that her brother had been at work in the engine room and was listed as missing, but she was certain that he was dead.

Anna Syromaysova, the mother of a missing conscript, told the independent Russian news agency Meduza that she had been unable to see any official documents related to casualties. “There are no lists,” she said. “We’re looking for them ourselves. They don’t tell us anything.” Reached by telephone, she declined to speak with a foreign news organization.

Tamara Grudinina told the Russian language service of the BBC that her son, Sergei Grudinin, 21, had been assigned to the ship right after basic training.

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A screengrab from a video released by the Russian Defense Ministry showed Nikolai Yevmenov, the Commander in Chief of the Russian Navy, left, purportedly meeting with crew members of the Moskva in Sevastopol in Crimea.

A screengrab from a video released by the Russian Defense Ministry showed Nikolai Yevmenov, the Commander in Chief of the Russian Navy, left, purportedly meeting with crew members of the Moskva in Sevastopol in Crimea.Credit...Russian Defense Ministry, via Shutterstock

When she heard that the ship had sunk, Ms. Grudinina said, she called a Defense Ministry hotline for relatives and was told that her son was “alive and healthy and would get in touch at the first opportunity.”

Soon afterward, a man who identified himself as the Moskva’s commander got in touch and told her that her son had “basically sunk together with the ship,” according to the BBC.

After the war started on Feb. 24, the family contacted naval officers to inquire about the ship and were told that it was not taking part in military actions and was due back in port soon, Maksim Savin said.

Calls from Leonid had stopped, but after speaking with the officers, they got a letter from him saying that he anticipated coming home soon, his brother said.

He said that his younger brother, who trained as an auto mechanic in a vocational school, had been reluctant to go into the military and had not supported the war. A family picture shows a lanky young man in a sailor’s uniform with a rifle slung across his chest, surrounded by his parents and three brothers.

Leonid Savin was much more comfortable hiking in the Crimean hills with the family dog, reading a book or tending to his plants, according to his brother. He had planted a palm tree and an avocado tree before heading off on his military service.

“In his letter home, he asked how his plants were doing,” Maksim Savin said. “He was worried about them.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/21/world/europe/russia-moskva-warship-disinformation.html

Yo creo que tienen una lista de grandes crímenes contra la humanidad y quieren completarla antes del 9

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/u8lx4g/russian_mp_sergei_leonov_to_impose_a_mandatory/?utm_term=1828444912&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_source=embed&utm_name=&utm_content=header

https://twitter.com/Guderian_Xaba/status/1517120959597142022

lo de la supremacía aerea rusa es porque la ucraniana no tiene más aviones, que si no...

vaya cuadro de ejército, pancho villa a su lado es paton

@lowfour (post #55)

ahora son vampiros??

mecagonsandios, y lo siguiente qué será? donar órganos?? 🤬🤬

@elarquitecto (post #57)

Mira el payaso que lo anuncia como si nada. Para empezar tiene unas ojeras de haberse pasado con la coca que alucinas. Pero el tío no se da cuenta de que lo van a acabar juzgando en la Haya, que NUNCA más podrá salir de Rusia salvo para ir a Corea del Norte o algo así? Pero esta gente de donde cojones sale?

Aunque la mona se vista de occidental, mona genocida se queda. Qué fraude.

https://www.elconfidencial.com/espana/2022-04-21/sanchez-anuncia-envio-buque-militares-armamento-ucrania-guerra-rusia_3412050/

200 toneladas de equipo militar, con municiones y otro tipo de materiales. El nuevo contingente incluye además 30 camiones y 10 vehículos de menor tamaño

no estamos derrochones como los gringos o los suecos, pero mira, más madera!

debe de haber una consigna "otan" por la que se va a "escalar" el conflicto de apocos

amenazaron con nukes cuando lo de los aviones y las sanciones, ahora vemos que no pasa na si se envía material militar, ni nukes ni nada... un misilito que probaron ayer y que lo mismo es un v2 dimitri que solo sirve de propaganda interna

tienen el arsenal nuclear en el chasis, lo mismo ni 20 nukes suman que puedan lanzar y que peten bien

mejor no arriesgarse, claro, pero es que nosotros, sí tenemos las 5000 que se suponen están en servicio