Algo pasa con la ofensiva rusa. Está atascada (II)

lowfour
lowfour
Started 2023-07-03
1236 posts
Jag
Jag
2023-07-27
#121

@elarquitecto (post #120)

Es que pilotar un helicóptero, y más en situaciones de combate, es muy pero que muy jodido. Las contingencias que ser pueden dar y las maniobras a hacer son complicadas y es un aeronave más inestable.

Un piloto de helicóptero en la selección, lo tiran abajo por un leve daltonismo. Vuelan bajo así que no ver las señales de las torres eléctricas por ejemplo, es inadmisible.

Por otro lado los helicópteros tienen techos de vuelo relativamente bajos, por lo que los manpads son más efectivos contra ellos.

Pero eso sí, un helicóptero bien usado, es mucho, pero mucho más efectivo que un cazabombardero. Algunas versiones de apache, o de Eurocopter se funden unidades enteras de carros en segundos y desaparecen.

Cinta_de_Carromero
Cinta_de_Carromero
2023-07-27
#122

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@Jag (post #121) Un piloto de helicóptero en la selección, lo tiran abajo por un leve daltonismo.

En España ni aviones dejan, y con ganas que tienen de no dejar ni conducir. Daltonismo de confundir el rojo intenso con el verde intenso hay muchos menos que deuteroanómalos (que diferencian peor entre tonalidades muy parecidas de rojo/verde, pero por el contrario diferencian mejor entre tonalidades de marrón claro/amarillo) que son el 10% de los hombres europeos y que ni saben que tienen eso hasta que no se hacen la prueba del japonés, pero los meten a todos en el mismo saco por prejuicios eugenésicos del siglo pasado.

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2023-07-28
#123

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pues el gmitu ha hecho un video echando cuentas, porque un canal wagner ha reconocido 62k bajas en bajmut

y eso supondría 80% de bajas sobre el total

o sea, wagner ahora sería 1/5 de lo que fue originalmente para conquistar bajmut, 6 divisiones volatilizadas para una ciudad pequeña

el ratio profesionales-presidiarios no cuadra mucho, así que o bien son más bajas, o bien las ha dado un poco "invent" como hace cinta

pero es una burrada 35% de bajas profesionales muertos

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2023-07-28
#133

@lowfour (post #129)

no te quepa duda

Cinta_de_Carromero
Cinta_de_Carromero
2023-07-28
#134

Ya lo hicieron en la segunda guerra de Chechenia, volaron varios edificios de viviendas para acusar a los chechenos y así justificar la guerra. Se sabe seguro porque los vecinos pillaron a uno de los equipos con los explosivos que iban a volar su edificio.

lowfour
lowfour
2023-07-29
#135

Madre mía, a esos no se les pasa la cogorza antes de que los fusilen

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1685362208195194880

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2023-07-29
#136

@lowfour (post #135)

lo que no entiendo es qué hacen esos ahí

supongo que en condiciones normales, que haya borrachines y tal en el ejército, pues pasa... pero en guerra??

al que habría que fusilar es a quien les ha mandado ahí, si no fusilar, pegarle una bronca cojonuda

Cinta_de_Carromero
Cinta_de_Carromero
2023-07-29
#137

Si tuvieran que fusilar a todos los borrachos del ejército ruso, se iban a quedar solos 😄

Cinta_de_Carromero
Cinta_de_Carromero
2023-07-30
#138

https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article246631894/Ukraine-Dutzende-Extremisten-aus-Deutschland-kaempfen-im-Kriegsgebiet.html

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En total, son 61 personas. Se sospecha que 39 ciudadanos alemanes abandonaron el país con la intención de participar en la guerra. De estos, 27 luchan del lado de Rusia y 12 del lado de Ucrania. La mayoría de ellos son personas con "puntos de vista extremistas". Son tanto de derecha como de izquierda.

Más del doble de alemanes luchando con la horda que con Ucrania.

Una vez más el "ciberputi" acertando desde el primer día, ya os dije que Alemania estaba lleno de prorrusos y que estaban jodiendo más que ayudando, jódete @elarquitecto 😛

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2023-07-31
#139
Edited 2023-07-31

https://twitter.com/TuiteroMartin/status/1685729625421262848

según martin, rusia ya estaría quemando sus últimos tanques (buenos, no esos para usar enterrados o algo así)

hago capturas por si la cosa esa antes llamada tuiter no va bien

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lowfour
lowfour
2023-07-31
#140

@elarquitecto (post #139)

Vi el twitt del ukro y estaba fundado. Tienen tanques todavia

lowfour
lowfour
2023-07-31
#141

Otra vez el NYT en modo MUY agorero sobre los Ukros, básicamente pintan como que no han avanzado nada y los están reventando como chinches. La verdad es que visto que les siguen reventando puentes a los rusos yo. no se si esto es una visión objetiva de lo que vemos. La tall Charlotta ha estado 12 días en la zona de Zaporizha

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/30/world/europe/ukraine-counteroffensive-russia.html

Amid the Counterattack’s Deadly Slog, a Glimmer of Success for Ukraine


Recapturing the village of Staromaiorske was such welcome news for the country that President Volodymyr Zelensky announced it himself. But formidable Russian defenses have stymied progress elsewhere.

For 10 days, Ukrainian marines fought street by street and house by house to recapture the southeastern village of Staromaiorske, navigating artillery fire, airstrikes and hundreds of Russian troops.

The Russians put up a ferocious defense but that ended on Thursday when they folded and the Ukrainians claimed victory. “Some ran away, some were left behind,” said an assault commander from Ukraine’s 35th Marine Brigade, who uses the call sign Dikyi, which means Wild. “We were taking captives,” he added.

The recapture of Staromaiorske, a small village that is nonetheless critical to Ukraine’s southern strategy, was such a welcome development for Ukraine that President Volodymyr Zelensky announced it himself.

The counteroffensive has largely been a brutal lesson for Ukrainian troops, who have struggled to seize back territory across the southern region of Zaporizhzhia. In two months, Ukrainian troops have advanced less than 10 miles at any point along the region’s 100-mile front.

Victories, like the one at Staromaiorske, represent a potential breakthrough in the fighting, Ukrainian officials said, perhaps opening the way for a broader push by their country’s forces.

Ukraine is focused on two main southward thrusts, with the aim of cutting off Russian resupply routes. One line of attack goes through Staromaiorske toward the city of Berdiansk on the Azov Sea, and another, farther west, toward the city of Melitopol.

Both cities command strategic transit routes for Russian forces occupying southern Ukraine and Crimea.

For weeks, Ukrainian artillery and long-range missiles have been pounding Russian supply lines and rear bases in an effort to break their operational capability and undermine Russian morale.

Rockets fired from an American-made HIMARS mobile launcher surprise drivers on country roads near the front line as Ukrainian units attack targets deep behind Russian lines.

As the Ukrainian forces deploy Western-supplied weapons, the Russian troops are making use of deadly new tactics and weapons of their own, including attack drones and remote-detonated mines.

In Staromaiorske, Russian soldiers dug bunkers underneath the village’s houses with multiple exits so a house would erupt like an anthill when under attack, said Dikyi, the Ukrainian commander. He lost one of his best men, a 27-year-old called Vyacheslav, who used the call sign Bandit, in an assault on such a house, he said.

The key to the Ukrainian success in the village, he said, was wearing down the Russian soldiers’ will to fight. The first sign of the Russian collapse was when 20 soldiers abandoned their position after complaining that reinforcements had failed to arrive, he said.

From intercepts of Russian communications and interrogations of prisoners, the Ukrainian forces knew that their opponents were taking casualties and that some were refusing to fight.

“They were panicking,” Dikyi said. The Ukrainians redoubled their attack with a frontal assault with two battalions along four streets.

As officials celebrated Ukraine’s progress in Staromaiorske, troops elsewhere on the ground said that Russian defenses and firepower remained formidable and in places impassable.

A soldier at a medical post, awaiting evacuation for a concussion, recently described how his battalion had been decimated when it came under Russian artillery and tank fire. His brigade, the 23rd, was one of nine newly formed, Western-trained units prepared and equipped for the counteroffensive. But the brigade, he said, had been thrown into the fight without sufficient artillery support and had been unable to defend themselves against Russian firepower.

In one battle in which his unit took part, Ukrainian soldiers attacked in 10 American-made MaxxPro armored vehicles, but only one came back, he said. He showed photographs of the damaged vehicles, ripped open and burned out, which he said had been hauled back to a repair base. The soldier declined to give his name for fear of getting into trouble with his superiors.

“They were hit by anti-tank fire,” he said. “They hit them and they kept hitting. They were burned out. The guys did not survive.”

Later, as they sheltered in a captured Russian bunker, his unit came under attack by mortar fire and grenade launchers, he said. Moments before the bunker was destroyed by a Russian tank, he added, his unit escaped.

“If we had stayed 10 minutes longer, we would not be alive,” he said.

The soldier lost a 22-year-old friend, Stas, in the shelling the day before, he said, adding that in just over a month, his battalion had suffered so many dead and wounded that only 10 men remained at the front line.

Another soldier, who joined up last year and asked to be identified only by his first name, Oleksiy, said that his unit had taken heavy losses as Russian troops directed artillery fire and aerial bombs onto their positions.

“We were shot like on a shooting range,” he said. “A drone was flying above us and correcting the artillery fire.” Their positions were in former Russian positions, hemmed in by minefields, he said, and the Russian forces were able to keep them pinned down and under constant drone surveillance.

Soldiers were running out of ammunition and water but could only sneak in and out of their positions in ones or twos, on foot, when the light was poor just before dawn and at dusk, he said.

The Ukrainian troops, Oleksiy added, were unable to suppress the Russian firepower. “At first we had artillery support, and then we ran out,” he said. “We need more weapons,” he added.

“If the troops knew we had a good supply and coordinated support from behind, we would take more territory.”

Interviews with Ukrainian soldiers and a review of military surveillance footage from a recent attack indicate that many Ukrainian units are sustaining heavy losses.

A group with special operations training, deployed last month to storm Russian positions in a village on the western part of the front, took such heavy casualties in four days of assaults that they had to pull out without success.

After their armored vehicles were largely destroyed by artillery strikes on the first day, they revised their plan to approach the village on foot through a tree line that had been mined. The Ukrainians cleared a narrow path with demining explosives and the first soldiers reached the Russian positions and dropped down into a trench.

Drone footage of the event showed what happened next. Explosions suddenly detonated inside the trenches and other strikes hit soldiers on the edge of the tree line. The video footage has been verified by The New York Times.

“The trenches were mined,” said the assault commander, who uses the call sign Voskres, short for Resurrection. “Our guys started jumping in the trenches and blowing up,” he added. The Russian forces were watching, and they remotely detonated the mines, he said.

Those who managed to avoid the mines came under attack from multiple Russian kamikaze drones. “It seemed like they had a drone for each person,” he said. “The amount of equipment the Russians have, had we known, it was like mission impossible.”

Several weeks later, the village remains in Russian hands.

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elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2023-07-31
#142

@lowfour (post #140)

a ver, lo que creo que está pasando es que rusia está con todo (all-in) en ucrania, o sea, les quedan 900 tanques

cuando se los fundan, a rusia no le quedan más que barcazas oxidadas y componentes y tal, que entre todos igual te suman 200 más, pero tienes que juntarlo y tal...

lo mismo para lo demás

por eso los ucros no avanzan, porque si lo hicieran, es que a rusia solo le quedan las nukes y los submarinos atómicos y poco más (literalmente)

de hecho, sí avanzan

lo que no hacen es meter carne en la picadora, como hacían los ruskis en bajmut

che, que hemos visto ya a la 47 mecanizada reventar 3 compañías y tal, y sin usar ni refuerzos ni apoyo aéreo (que sepamos), sí artillero

y que tienen que ir por campos minados y limpiando trincheras de chinches

el eje principal (el sur) es el más fortificado, lo dijimos y se veía en los satélites y tal, pero como se rompa, a rusia solo le quedan 2 salidas, rostov y crimea

lowfour
lowfour
2023-07-31
#143

@elarquitecto (post #142)

Noooo que Putin ayer prometió 30 buques nuevos para la armada este año. En serio.

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elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2023-07-31
#144

@lowfour (post #143)

bueno, si se los compra a otros países, aunque sean de segunda mano, son "nuevos" para los ruskis

le hacen rebranding y ya

un plan sin fisuras y tal

es lo que hacían con los tractores, por cierto, que los compraban a chequia o por ahí, los desmontaban y volvían a montar como "rusos"

elarquitecto
elarquitecto
2023-07-31
#145

AfD (alternativa por alemania, o sea los de vox, pero en alemania... o sea, los de cinta) dice que la guerra de ucrania no es asunto de alemania y que no pintamos nada ahí

también que se quieren hacer un "brexit" que sería un "germanexit" o "deutschausgang" (esta suena bien, jajaja) y recuperar competencias y control de fronteras (obvio, los cinta ciberturras meten spam racista y xenófobo a cada rato, hasta el toro que mató a manolete era extranjero... o judío, tanto da)

y la putada es que van fuertecitos, da bastante cague todo

Cinta_de_Carromero
Cinta_de_Carromero
2023-07-31
#146

@elarquitecto (post #145) En Alemania acabas antes diciendo quién está a favor de Ucrania que en contra, como ya dije.

Y eso es más de progres nostálgicos de la URSS que de alguna manera se piensan que la Rusia actual tiene algo que ver, que de la ultrahipermegaderecha que por el contrario va con el batallón Azov.

lowfour
lowfour
2023-08-01
#147
Edited 2023-08-01

Los rusos quieren causar una hambruna (coño, ese método me suena... son suj costumbrej y hay que rejpetarlaj). Pues nada, que le echen huevos a bloquear los cargamentos, a ver que pasa.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/15f0vo0/anisraeligreeceandturkishcargoshipwasthe/

Los F16 estaban en Rumania esperando la llamada.

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